register gallery
 

Go Back   Mazdaspeed Forums >
MAZDASPEED SECTION
>
Mazdaspeed 3/6 MZR Gen1 Forums (2006-2009)
> MazdaSpeed 6 - Engine, Transmission & Driveline
Garage Calendar Forum Rules Today's Posts Search


Welcome to Mazdaspeed Forums .

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

*When you join MSF as a registered user, there will be No Ads.

*Registered Members get access to the Off Topic Area of the Forum

*Registered Members have an opportunity to upgrade their accounts to VIP, which brings a host of goddies for supporting MSF such as Raffles, Additional Forum Access, More PM Storage, The ability to upload more Images and many other enhancements.

*Registered members also get access to the live chat box!
Reply
 
Bookmark and Share LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 Old 07-14-2019, 08:24 AM   #1
 
jbmazda6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Bowling Green, KY
Posts: 1,230   (View Stats)
iTrader: (2)
Rep Power: 0
jbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the world
Thanks: 140
Thanked 785 Times in 364 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
(Thread Starter)
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default Cracked Transfer Case

What's interesting about this situation, and I don't think I've seen this from reading, is that I have a cracked transfer case but I was able to drive the car home from the drag strip after I noticed a gear oil smell and retired the car for the night. At the time I did not know the case was cracked as I never heard any weird sounds or felt anything abnormal. I noticed a large puddle of gear oil the next morning under my car and just now got around to checking out the problem (picture of the crack attached). Hoping to pull the t-case today so I can do some investigation but I think the internals will all be salvageable based off the fact that it drives without issue.

Just wanted to add another thread with some details to help other folks out in the future as well as hear if any of you have had similar issues. If the internals are good I'll be on the lookout for a good cx-7 case or if one of you has a good speed6 case with bad internals that I could swap mine into let me know.

Thanks for the help.

P.S. Been a long time since I've been on here, hopefully I see some familiar names.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 20190713_213859.jpg (2.26 MB, 14 views)
__________________

JBR: Whale Penis, SSP+Weight+Bushings+Knob, Boost Tubes, Bypass Valve Hose, TMM, PMM, RMM, OCC, TIG's, Small Battery Tray
Other: Stratified 3-Port EBCS, Stratified Guardian Angel, Cp-e Catted Downpipe, Cp-e Top Mount Intercooler, Cp-e Rear Diff Mount, Autotech Internals, H&R Coilovers


Sponsored By: JamesBaroneRacing.com

jbmazda6 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to jbmazda6 For This Useful Post:
Db09ms3 (07-16-2019)
 Old 07-14-2019, 02:37 PM   #2
 
jbmazda6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Bowling Green, KY
Posts: 1,230   (View Stats)
iTrader: (2)
Rep Power: 0
jbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the world
Thanks: 140
Thanked 785 Times in 364 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
(Thread Starter)
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

Finished pulling the transfer case a while ago and got some pictures. Looks like all of the bearing caps are still in good shape but it fractured from a locating pin to a bolt hole on the drivers side of the case. A piece of metal must have gotten into the case because one of the gears has uniform damage on each tooth. Found reminiscence of this in the oil and on the oil drain plug.

@phate; I saw you had your transfer case blow up on you years ago. Any thoughts?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 20190714_094350.jpg (4.65 MB, 11 views)
File Type: jpg 20190714_144341.jpg (3.44 MB, 13 views)
File Type: jpg 20190714_144318.jpg (4.06 MB, 16 views)
File Type: jpg 20190714_144400.jpg (4.63 MB, 12 views)
File Type: jpg 20190714_142839.jpg (3.29 MB, 19 views)
__________________

JBR: Whale Penis, SSP+Weight+Bushings+Knob, Boost Tubes, Bypass Valve Hose, TMM, PMM, RMM, OCC, TIG's, Small Battery Tray
Other: Stratified 3-Port EBCS, Stratified Guardian Angel, Cp-e Catted Downpipe, Cp-e Top Mount Intercooler, Cp-e Rear Diff Mount, Autotech Internals, H&R Coilovers


Sponsored By: JamesBaroneRacing.com

jbmazda6 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to jbmazda6 For This Useful Post:
phate (07-17-2019), Pu Manchu (07-17-2019)
 Old 07-14-2019, 04:36 PM   #3
 
Fstrnyou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Near Charlotte NC
Posts: 2,498   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 0
Fstrnyou is the leader of the worldFstrnyou is the leader of the worldFstrnyou is the leader of the worldFstrnyou is the leader of the worldFstrnyou is the leader of the worldFstrnyou is the leader of the worldFstrnyou is the leader of the worldFstrnyou is the leader of the worldFstrnyou is the leader of the worldFstrnyou is the leader of the worldFstrnyou is the leader of the world
Thanks: 55
Thanked 712 Times in 555 Posts
Groans: 23
Groaned at 6 Times in 5 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

Gah dang man.

May as well upgrade the bearing caps.
__________________
'06 MS6 GT-167k Miles(Forged@157,116)
Manley Pistons & Rods, King Bearings
Stock Head/Cams, Stock Int/Exh Manifolds
Versatuner, 3-bar MAP, ITV22, CP-e TMIC
CS Turbo/DP/RP/HPFP/BPV/R-DiffMount
White Widow F-DiffMount, Whiteline RSB
Rear Russian Bushings, Poly FSB Bushings
Magnaflow CBE, ACT 6-puck/Streetlite
JBR Tru-3.5/3-port EBCS/EGR-D
Damond RMM/PMM/OCC/PCV Plate
Other rides:
2014 F-150 XLT SuperCrew Ecoboost
2002 Tacoma ExtCab 2.4L 5spd 2WD
2004 Olds Alero ECOtec 2.2 - Broken
History:
2008 GSX-R 1000 - Stolen
1988 RX-7 TII - Sold (13.467 @ 105.44)
1985 Camaro - Sold (est. 265bhp 5.7 swap, Edelbrock intake & Hooker headers)
Fstrnyou is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 07-16-2019, 07:02 AM   #4
Eth Fiend
 
phate's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Auburn Hills, MI
Posts: 6,947   (View Stats)
iTrader: (10)
Rep Power: 11231
phate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the world
Thanks: 14,868
Thanked 21,735 Times in 5,875 Posts
Groans: 7
Groaned at 17 Times in 14 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

Originally Posted by jbmazda6 View Post
phate I saw you had your transfer case blow up on you years ago. Any thoughts?
Looks like most other failures - the bevel gears put an axial load on that shaft and it blows out the side like that. That end needs reinforcement.
__________________
-06 MS6
-Corn fed 07 MS3 - Sold



www.mazdamotorsports.com <<--Mazda racer support program that is free to join and will save you a ton of money.
phate is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 07-16-2019, 07:51 AM   #5
Eth Fiend
 
phate's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Auburn Hills, MI
Posts: 6,947   (View Stats)
iTrader: (10)
Rep Power: 11231
phate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the world
Thanks: 14,868
Thanked 21,735 Times in 5,875 Posts
Groans: 7
Groaned at 17 Times in 14 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

Originally Posted by Fstrnyou View Post
Gah dang man.

May as well upgrade the bearing caps.
Caps don't have anything to do with this one.

In the picture of the broken section, where you can see the inside wall, you can see the surface where it is acting as the thrust bearing for that shaft. So the axial load is being completely held by that surface, not the inner surface of the bearing cap.

I've said for a long time that I don't think bearing caps are the primary failure mode.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
__________________
-06 MS6
-Corn fed 07 MS3 - Sold



www.mazdamotorsports.com <<--Mazda racer support program that is free to join and will save you a ton of money.

Last edited by phate; 07-16-2019 at 10:02 AM.
phate is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to phate For This Useful Post:
Db09ms3 (07-16-2019), Vansquish (07-16-2019)
 Old 07-16-2019, 10:04 AM   #6
 
Jeff23spl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Quebec
Posts: 2,233   (View Stats)
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 0
Jeff23spl is the leader of the worldJeff23spl is the leader of the worldJeff23spl is the leader of the worldJeff23spl is the leader of the worldJeff23spl is the leader of the worldJeff23spl is the leader of the worldJeff23spl is the leader of the worldJeff23spl is the leader of the worldJeff23spl is the leader of the worldJeff23spl is the leader of the worldJeff23spl is the leader of the world
Thanks: 161
Thanked 596 Times in 476 Posts
Groans: 3
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

is there a fix for this one ? (I mean to avoid this)
__________________
Mazda for life...or until i can afford something better...

2007 rusted Speed6... Forged with meth and a 3076 in progress...
1993 Ford Probe KLZE 143dB
2012 Mazda3 Gs-sky 6.5l/100 when transporting speed parts
1989 GM 6.2 diesel pickup
Wife drive 2010 CX7

2007 speed3 burned (i'm proud to ran 12.7s with it)

...Because French Canadian...

If you check for leaks and you didn't made a test under compressor pressure, you aren't done checking for leaks....
Jeff23spl is offline   Reply With Quote
 Old 07-16-2019, 09:15 PM   #7
 
jbmazda6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Bowling Green, KY
Posts: 1,230   (View Stats)
iTrader: (2)
Rep Power: 0
jbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the worldjbmazda6 is the leader of the world
Thanks: 140
Thanked 785 Times in 364 Posts
Groans: 0
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
(Thread Starter)
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

Originally Posted by phate View Post
Looks like most other failures - the bevel gears put an axial load on that shaft and it blows out the side like that. That end needs reinforcement.
As I've continued to read I see that my failure is similar to many others. I have yet to find one with what's seemingly minor damage which is why I'm posting for awareness in the hopes we, as a forum, can draw some potentially new conclusions or solidify existing ones.

Originally Posted by phate View Post
Caps don't have anything to do with this one.

In the picture of the broken section, where you can see the inside wall, you can see the surface where it is acting as the thrust bearing for that shaft. So the axial load is being completely held by that surface, not the inner surface of the bearing cap.

I've said for a long time that I don't think bearing caps are the primary failure mode.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
I would agree as far as caps go. I personally can't justify the cost when there is a high probability that the case will fail in another mode and damage the caps in the process.

If anyone wants more/better pictures please let me know. I can also transfer this information to an existing thread if that would be beneficial.

I'll be going down the cx-7 pto route as the options are getting slimmer each year that passes. I will say that this pto lasted 100+ runs at the drag strip as well as daily abuse for the past 8 years (at least). Not too bad.
__________________

JBR: Whale Penis, SSP+Weight+Bushings+Knob, Boost Tubes, Bypass Valve Hose, TMM, PMM, RMM, OCC, TIG's, Small Battery Tray
Other: Stratified 3-Port EBCS, Stratified Guardian Angel, Cp-e Catted Downpipe, Cp-e Top Mount Intercooler, Cp-e Rear Diff Mount, Autotech Internals, H&R Coilovers


Sponsored By: JamesBaroneRacing.com

jbmazda6 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to jbmazda6 For This Useful Post:
phate (07-17-2019)
 Old 07-17-2019, 05:40 AM   #8
Eth Fiend
 
phate's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Auburn Hills, MI
Posts: 6,947   (View Stats)
iTrader: (10)
Rep Power: 11231
phate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the worldphate is the leader of the world
Thanks: 14,868
Thanked 21,735 Times in 5,875 Posts
Groans: 7
Groaned at 17 Times in 14 Posts
Not Ranked  0 score     
Default

Originally Posted by jbmazda6 View Post
As I've continued to read I see that my failure is similar to many others. I have yet to find one with what's seemingly minor damage which is why I'm posting for awareness in the hopes we, as a forum, can draw some potentially new conclusions or solidify existing ones.
Yeah, as cool as catastrophic damage is to look at, it's usually way harder to sort out what failed first. This is another piece of evidence that we need to reinforce that end of the case.

Where that end nests into the transmission housing makes it tough to add material, but if someone wanted to weld on extra material, they could. If you never intend to remove that screw in cover, you could add quite a bit of strength adding material across the access hole.
__________________
-06 MS6
-Corn fed 07 MS3 - Sold



www.mazdamotorsports.com <<--Mazda racer support program that is free to join and will save you a ton of money.
phate is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cracked Tranny Case mazdaspeeding MazdaSpeed 3 - Engine, Transmission & Driveline 14 08-04-2015 09:43 PM
To those who have had the transfer case apart rob ms6gt MazdaSpeed 6 - Engine, Transmission & Driveline 2 07-19-2012 08:27 PM
How To Take Off Transfer Case MAZDASP6 MazdaSpeed 6 - How-To's 17 07-11-2012 04:22 PM
Transfer case? titaniumspeed MazdaSpeed 3/6 - Troubleshoot/Diagnostics 2 05-14-2012 03:11 PM
My Transfer case/PTO is done... LoresonDE MazdaSpeed 3 - Engine, Transmission & Driveline 5 02-08-2010 09:41 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:35 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
vB.Sponsors
Template-Modifications by TMS
©Copyright 2008 ; 2019 Cymru Internet Services LLC | FYHN™ Autosports HQ
Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
Page generated in 0.30022 seconds with 24 queries