the most informative "ENGINE REMOVAL HOW TO " ever!!!!

[qtrmile beast]

PLEASE DON"T POST ANYTHING YET as I will most likely need the first. 2-3 if not 4 to make this post!!! There will LOTS of pics to go with every picture!!!! This should be pretty close to every step needed to pull the engine in every detail !!! So sit back relax and enjoy. The car that was used for this project was Yoichi's car. Sad to see her go and i never got a chance to take her to the track....

Lets begin,

First might want to prep the car by draining all fluids(transmission, motor oil and antifreeze). The transfercase is sealed so you don't have to drain that. When you drain the tranny use a 15/16th wrench to get in there as a socket will not have room with the frame about 2in away from it. The Powersteering will be debatable as you can pull the engine with out disconnecting the lines from the Powersteering pump but FYI when i installed my engine back in my car i damaged the return side of the bucket with a hair line crack and while not knowing that i was leaking the pump lost all fluid and burned the pump up and also soaked the belt and caused it to tear to pieces almost leaving me stranded. So if you do not take the lines loose and choose to leave the pump connected then BE VERY CAREFUL when pulling the engine out and also installing the engine and make sure that there is nothing pulling on that line as that bucket is real fragile. It also cost about 60 bucks from the dealer if you catch it before you burn up the pump..

Ok so after you have jacked the car up and drained all the fluids, next you want to start pulling the air intake off the car so that you can get to the wire harnesses that are located under the intake. The car that i used in the HOW TO was not stock so some of this info is for a car with bolt ons already done.

Once you have the intake off you will be able to see all of these harnesses really clearly!!

This is pic of the wideband harnesses as there are two



This is a pic of the secondary 02 as it has only a single harness



After that you can disconnect the reverse and neutral switch harnesses



After that you can disconnect the shift linkages. To do this you can take a simple screwdriver and place it on the underside of the shifter cable head and shifter and pry it off. It usually pops off pretty easy.



After you have gotten all this taken care of then you would want to get the rest of the harnesses







In this picture you can see the relay that was used to get rid of the CEL from the VTCS delete.. More info on that later

[qtrmile beast]

Ok now we are ready to do the intake manifold again this is modded car so there might be some stuff missing that other wise would be on a stock car. I believe there are about 9-10 bolts that hold the intake manifold on...

First you want to take the throttle body off.. these are 8mm bolts





There is a third one just to the right of my hand in the pic as well as the ones i am pointing to..


This one you will have to feel for it as you will not be able to see it..what is that shit in his intake i have no idea as it is not oil. I think he can respond to this as i think another tech took the intake off and used some sorta sealer on it...




This one you will have to pull the powersteering pump to get to this bolt



Then you will need to take EGR pipe out of the intake. Not you can take both ends out or you can just take the side that connects to the intake and leave the motor side on there. For me i took the entire pipe out.. You can also use the 15/16th wrench on this as well..



There are three 12mm bolts that takes the powersteering pump off and i am sorry but i realized that i didn't take a pic of where the bolts are for the powersteering. I will get that picture when i putting the motor back in. But there are two on the top and one on the bottom. Also there is a harness on the top as well..

Now once you have the intake manifold off you will be able to lift it up and be able to see some more harneses..




there is a harness on the right side of this between the two coolant hoses. Not seen on the pics

here is the pic of that harness

[qtrmile beast]

ok here is the underside of the car.....

first take the front control arm off ONLY on both sides.





Then take the lower bolt out of the fork for the strut. Both the control arm and the lower fork are 17mm...



Once you have gotten those loose then get you a HEAVY hammer and tap this axle loose from the transfercase(WARNING: watch your aim while banging to be sure not to hit the transfercase as that is aluminum and easy to crack)



Once you have gotten that loose then you can get a long handle pry bar and pop the axle out on the driverside.



Once you have gotten the axles loose then you can just pull the spindle outward on both sides and this will pull the axles out of the transmission and the transfercase far enough to clear and be out of the way so you do not have to take the axles completely out of the car. If you decide to do so then the axle nut is a 36mm...

Next take the drive shaft loose... There are 4 14mm nuts and bolts that hold this on. The bolts should be pointed to the rear of the car!!! Take the nuts off and push the bolts through the other side.



Next is the slave cylinder











ok i think you guys can post if you want or if you have questions of any kind. I am not finished with all the pics that i have i just have so much info to post i am doing it in spurts. I will post more late as i have time!!! i can use this post to post the rest of the info i have. I am sorry as i was doing this all by myself and so i missed a few pics but i will get those pics taken when i have to install everything back in the car.

[greg08]

thank you so much for your time spent on this

[SJP0tato]

Very nice/detailed, thanks for taking the time to post this up.

Eventually do you wind up taking it out through the bottom? I think I remember reading in one of the Mazda manuals they recommend only removing it from the bottom of the enginebay.

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by SJP0tato Very nice/detailed, thanks for taking the time to post this up. Eventually do you wind up taking it out through the bottom? I think I remember reading in one of the Mazda manuals they recommend only removing it from the bottom of the enginebay.

more pics and info to come

[djuosnteisn]

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Thanks so much Charles, hahaha! I fucking love you. Anthony will do whatever sexual favors you desire from this day on.

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn O M G Thanks so much Charles, hahaha! I fucking love you. Anthony will do whatever sexual favors you desire from this day on.

FYI i did this all by myself no ummmmmm SUPERSKATER!!!!! taking pics and pulling the engine took me about 9 hours pulling into my driveway to having the engine on the ground!!!! But in his defense i didn't call him either

[djuosnteisn]

Hahahaha, i'll call him for you next time. I'm sure it'd be nice to have an extra set of hands on alot of stuff man.

Plus he'd probably kill for the experience. I know i would.

[flyrevs2]

stupid question: is this a MS3 or MS6 ? You mentioned driveshaft so I'm thinking MS6.
Nice job and thanks for the effort !

[djuosnteisn]

This is an ms6.

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by flyrevs2 stupid question: is this a MS3 or MS6 ? You mentioned driveshaft so I'm thinking MS6. Nice job and thanks for the effort !

this is a speed6 but for all the first genner speed3 guys they can use this as a guide to taking their engine out as well as it pretty much is the same process for them as well. I have do a clutch in a speed3 soon so i will take some pics off his car of anything that maybe different then the speed6.

DJ:

i have another motor to pull in a couple of weeks and also i have to put my motor back in and also yoichis so....... Plenty of opportunity to learn!!

[yoichi]

Yep that is my Car.

No wonder it took so dang long Charles......you were snappin all these pics....lol

[LiEast]

sweet each thing i read seems like its easier and easier keep any new pics coming!! looks good man

[phillyb]

awesome write up

[meeker13]

Very nice. I might refer back to this when I do a clutch.
Great write up man!

[FreeFlyFreak]

Stuck.......

Was thinking about moving to the "How To" section...... what do you guys think?
Leave it here or move it?

[MSP611]

U have to remove motor to do clutch??

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by MSP611 U have to remove motor to do clutch??

No you don't but i unless you are taking the subframe off on a lift it is going to be FUN getting it out from the bottom.

If you guys want a transmission (speed6) pull photo how to i will do one after the next one i pull...!!

[jracer]

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast No you don't but i unless you are taking the subframe off on a lift it is going to be FUN getting it out from the bottom. If you guys want a transmission (speed6) pull photo how to i will do one after the next one i pull...!!

so you have to take the sub frame off to get the trans. out the bottom for a clutch ??

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by jracer so you have to take the sub frame off to get the trans. out the bottom for a clutch ??

Yes!! will not come out through the top..

[djuosnteisn]

Charles your car looks great in your sig man.

[ALIEN3T]

qtrmile- I pulled a MS6 motor out, Instead of pulling the manifold in the car. to get all the wires undone, I undid the plug and 2 other wire connections from the fuse box. Was a little easier to unbolt everything out of the car, Just meant wire harness came out with the motor. BUt i did unbolt the Radiator support to give a little extra room to work with. since i know the Mazda book says to fully remove it from the car and bring motor forward. But then that means removing more things, but was able to bring it forward and down to give a little easier to get to ac pump and stuff.

[hnda etr]

Nice! Imma need this!


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[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by ALIEN3T qtrmile- I pulled a MS6 motor out, Instead of pulling the manifold in the car. to get all the wires undone, I undid the plug and 2 other wire connections from the fuse box. Was a little easier to unbolt everything out of the car, Just meant wire harness came out with the motor. BUt i did unbolt the Radiator support to give a little extra room to work with. since i know the Mazda book says to fully remove it from the car and bring motor forward. But then that means removing more things, but was able to bring it forward and down to give a little easier to get to ac pump and stuff.

So it takes the average person about 1-2 hours to pull the intake off.. So how long did it take you to pull the radiator supports? I pulled the intake because you will not get it out without destroying your overflow bucket in the process..

How long did it take you to pull the engine.......

[mps6dave]

when i did mine i pulled the front off the car and brought it straight out forward,very easy to do and was fully out,new flywheel and cluch fitted,put back in and aircon gassed in 6 hrs.will be doing it again soon when i do my rods,pistons,bsd,dp so will take pics then which may also help as an alternative for you guys

[Navy_Mech2]

i wouldnt be reviving this if i wasnt about to yank my motor but you said you took the axles out...did you do that because you pulled the tranny out too or did you have to do it so you could maneuver the motor around easier?

[qtrmile beast]

Yes i pulled the tranny and everything. Made life easier putting it back in...

[DiGi Faggot]

Bumpity Bump..


How many steps are there after that last step?

[Mandinca]

@qtrmile beast;

Bump. Which bolts are you undoing in this picture in the write up ?
Also, do you disconnect the A/C or can the engine, tranny and transfer case be lifted out around it ? I think I might have to remove the front end so I imagine the A/C will need to be removed.

Any other steps after the last pic in the write up ?

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by Mandinca @qtrmile beast; Bump. Which bolts are you undoing in this picture in the write up ? Also, do you disconnect the A/C or can the engine, tranny and transfer case be lifted out around it ? I think I might have to remove the front end so I imagine the A/C will need to be removed. Any other steps after the last pic in the write up ?

In this pic i was referring to that round rubber donut that has a 17mm bolt and a 17mm nut running through it that connects the lower end of the strut to the control arm. With this removal just simply remove the A/C compressor (which i am realizing that i missed that step sorry) from the block and zip tie it up and you will be able to work the engine around it. For those that dont have any freon in their system then you can just release the line from the compressor and leave the compressor on there.

Steps left....

Well then you connect your chain to the engine removal hooks. First one it located just above power steering pump. The second one located on the back side of the motor to the right near the HPFP. Once you hook your chain up leave just a little bit of slack about 6 in from the valve cover. This is done so your hoist will not need to go so high before actually pulling the engine out. When you hook the hoist up hook closer to the powersteering side so that just like the in the pic your engine will come out at a slight angle. DONT MAKE THE ANGLE too much because it will make it more difficult to come out because the crank pulley will jam against the frame of the car and you will have to start over and reangle it.

once you have it hook in the right place then you can proceed with pulling the motor mounts (ie passengerside, rear and tranny) once you have those removed then the motor will be resting on hoist. Just slowly crank and with every crank make sure nothing is about to hit or get jammed up. Once you get it high enough your are going to need to pull the engine slightly forward because the turbo and the driveshaft will get caught under the firewall. This is the reason for pulling the intake so you will have that room to do this.. After you have succesfully gotten pass all that then your motor should be free to come out!!

[Mandinca]

@qtrmile beast;
OK, I thought of something else due to my noobness. How does the clutch operate ?
In the good old days you pushed your foot on the pedal and a cable pulled a lever on the transmission which operated the clutch. Not so these days it seems ?
I see there is a master cylinder to be unbolted.....do I need to drain clutch fluid at all or does the master cylinder operate a piston which pushes on something in the transmission which operates the clutch ?

I'm trying to avoid any suprises on engine swap weekend. Thanks again.

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by Mandinca @qtrmile beast; OK, I thought of something else due to my noobness. How does the clutch operate ? In the good old days you pushed your foot on the pedal and a cable pulled a lever on the transmission which operated the clutch. Not so these days it seems ? I see there is a master cylinder to be unbolted.....do I need to drain clutch fluid at all or does the master cylinder operate a piston which pushes on something in the transmission which operates the clutch ? I'm trying to avoid any suprises on engine swap weekend. Thanks again.

The clutch is a hydraulic system... The is fluid in the brake master cylinder is shared with the clutch.. from the brake bucket to the clutch master cylinder then down to the slave cylinder. Once you unbolt the line from the transmission as well as the slave cylinder the line can be moved completely out of the way so that it cant get caught on something and bent.. You dont have to drain the fliud out of the brake master clutch master nor the slave cylinder.

If you think you will need my help i can pm you my number and you can call me if you have any issues..

[Mandinca]

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast The clutch is a hydraulic system... The is fluid in the brake master cylinder is shared with the clutch.. from the brake bucket to the clutch master cylinder then down to the slave cylinder. Once you unbolt the line from the transmission as well as the slave cylinder the line can be moved completely out of the way so that it cant get caught on something and bent.. You dont have to drain the fliud out of the brake master clutch master nor the slave cylinder. If you think you will need my help i can pm you my number and you can call me if you have any issues..

Thanks again, I crawled underneath last night and saw that the slave cylinder had a boot on it where it met the clutch fork - figured it was piston powered :-)

[Mandinca]

OK, getting ready to do this this weekend. Another question, sorry.
Those drive shafts - you make it sound like they just “pop out” once that 17mm nut and bolt at the bottom of the fork is out.
I’m reading some horror stories about how stubborn they can be.

What actually holds them in ? Is there a C clip that sits in a groove (I’m reading some posts that suggest there is).

I have a 2’ pry bar and also a pickle fork which I am reading will help. Just wondering if there is some kind of technique I should know about. Do I need to compress this C clip I’m hearing about ? If so, how ?

[avesfan101]

Recently having done this, I would add the following disclaimer, hook up hoist before removing any motor mounts and take off rear motor mount first.
I come from a different platform that when you take the motor mounts off the car rests on the subframe. I realized this before and had everything hooked up. When you take the last mount off you can have a sudden drop of the motor. Also, if you're like me you'll just want to start taking off bolts and might remove the upper mounts before the lower one which could be dangerous with you under the car at that point.


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[Big D]

Was there ever a clutch guide made?
By the way that was a very informative post. Thank you I learned alot.

[qkrthnu2]

@qtrmile beast; Nice write up, Thanks!

I read on one of the other MS6 forums that you've pulled quite a few MS6 engines. I'm starting the removal process and was hoping you could help me make some decisions.

Have you ever disconnected the tranny and pulled just the engine out? I know you said it was easier to get back in as a single unit, if you could elaborate on that I'd really appreciate the input.

I've seen other people who remove the radiator/rad-support, have you ever gone that route? It looks like it gives a ton more room to work, and I'm thinking the only real drawback to this is needing to vent the AC system.

I can't tell in the hoist pic, but I'm guessing you left the exhaust manifold and turbo attached?

I'm doing this in my home garage so I'm just looking for the path of least resistance (i.e. limiting cursing and bloody knuckles).

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by qkrthnu2 @qtrmile beast; Nice write up, Thanks! I read on one of the other MS6 forums that you've pulled quite a few MS6 engines. I'm starting the removal process and was hoping you could help me make some decisions. Have you ever disconnected the tranny and pulled just the engine out? I know you said it was easier to get back in as a single unit, if you could elaborate on that I'd really appreciate the input. I've seen other people who remove the radiator/rad-support, have you ever gone that route? It looks like it gives a ton more room to work, and I'm thinking the only real drawback to this is needing to vent the AC system. I can't tell in the hoist pic, but I'm guessing you left the exhaust manifold and turbo attached? I'm doing this in my home garage so I'm just looking for the path of least resistance (i.e. limiting cursing and bloody knuckles).

I have done it all ways... other than without the tranny still in there. IF you do that way if might come out pretty simple but going back it might make you pull your hair out. Can it be done sure... would i do it that way no way...

[qkrthnu2]

@qtrmile beast;
Oooooo, Moar Pics. Thanks! #engineremovalporn
Questions....

1. Do you prefer taking the front bumper/rad/condenser out, or does it not make much of a difference?

2. That last pic w/ the lift, did you drop the motor out the bottom? If so, how easy was that by comparison?