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(Thread Starter) | Neutral : +1 score What are swirls and what do they look like? Below is a photo of a typical daily driven car. When in the sunlight or under a street lamp at night these swirls are very easily spotted and are a bit of an eye sore. These swirls are thousands of micro scratches induced, for the most part, by improper washing and drying techniques. Automatic car washing or hand washing with the wrong materials will start to create swirls. By employing the correct materials, and techniques you can avoid inducing these micro scratches. Now lets not panic, these imperfections can be removed through paint correction. This is an advanced technique where buffers equipped with various foam pads and polishes finish down the paintwork creating a flawless finish. Proper Materials Vs. Improper Materials. You will need materials designed specifically for automotive paint. Yes, Dawn will work but overtime it will harm rubber trim and accelerate the fading of plastic trim. Not only that, but Dawn will strip off any wax you have on the car. Who wants to have to re-wax every single wash!?!? How about those Terry rags they use on TV? Those towels are pretty abrasive and will, even if they have zero contaminants on them, induce swirls and other imperfections. Quality Microfiber towels are specifically designed to be gentle for even the most delicate surfaces. What materials do i need?
The Wheels are always first. When we do washes we want to do the wheels first because they are always the dirtiest portion of the car. we wouldn't want to risk spraying dirty water and chemicals all over our nice clean car. First things first, lets grab a bottle of Sonax Full Effect and spray all the wheels down, even the inside barrels of the wheels, and let that sit while we get our wash buckets ready. Now this is why i have that third bucket, Me personally, I like to keep a designated wheel bucket because it tends to get pretty filthy over time. Now lets go ahead and place a grit guard insert in the bottom of this bucket. Start the hose and fill up the bucket to about the halfway point then put in some shampoo, about two cap fulls. With the nozzle lets switch it to a mode where we can achieve a fast stream of water to create some suds. we are all set and it looks like that Sonax has started to turn red, don't be alarmed, that's just the chemicals working to loosen all that baked on brake dust. Dunk the EZ-Detail brush into the bucket and start to wash in between the spokes getting the inner barrels clean. use a sponge or designated MF towel to wash the face of the wheels. Make sure to rinse the wheels thoroughly before we move on to the paint. Moving onto the paint! Now since we have the dirtiest part finished, lets move onto the paint. Since we already have your buckets ready at this point position them towards the middle of the car so your not running around all the time. Set the sprayer on the hose at a strong stream and try and get as much of the dirt loose. Starting top to bottom, dunk your mit into the soap, squeeze a bit of it out of it so you can achieve some good suds. when your rinsing the mit make sure to scrub the mit along the grit guard to loosen the collected dirt from the mit, squeeze all the dirty water out of the mit before re-soaping it. i like to divide the car into sections; half of the roof & pillars ~ rinse/re-soap, window, quarter panels upper doors. upper front fenders ~ rinse/re-soap, lower doors & lower fenders ~ rinse/re-soap, half of the hood & half of the front bumper, half of the rear glass, trunk, and rear bumper ~ rinse/re-soap. Now if you know your car is fairly dirty you can modify this to where your rinsing and re-soaping more often. Also it may be a good idea to dump the rinse water half way through if your vehicle is that dirty. Also make sure your not letting the water or soap dry or it will start to create water or soap spots, just give it a quick spray every so often until your ready for a complete rinse. Now that the car is squeaky clean lets give her a nice rinse, make sure to go top to bottom and really get into the roof rails as they tend to like to hold soap in them. Time to dry, The right way! Now that we have the car fully rinsed we are going to learn a little trick to help us out. We are going to take off the hose sprayer leaving just the open hose. Turning the water at about half its potential flow we are going to start to manipulate the water into "sheeting" down the paint, leaving us less water to deal with drying. Start by "flooding the roof of the vehicle. Then continually moving down toward the window while moving left to right you'll start to notice the water sheeting down with you and the hose. replicate this trick all around the car and you will notice in the end that only about 10% of the water is on the surface now. This definitely works best with freshly waxed cars. For the remaining water we want to use our Quick Detailer or Spray Wax and our quality microfiber waffle weave drying towel to carefully pick up the rest of the water. Fold your drying towel into fourths and give it a couple sprays with the Quick Detailer to soften or "Prime" the towel. Spraying each section of the paint before lightly wiping the surface with the towel start making your way all around the car. Now that the car is completely clean, you can move on to the wax or you can just take a few moments to admire how awesome your car looks! And guess what? We did this the right way and avoided any potential swirl inducing techniques and materials in the process! Great Job, now its time for that cold beer.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Dude. Killer write up. Gonna do a paint correction write up? I would love to see it done correctly. Usually when I think I know, I don't. Nice to see it with product recommendations too. Great job!
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I did do a write up on a paint correction i did last week. there's some product recommendations in there as well, but they are tailored to the car that i was working with. too many variables to make the same recommendations to you even if your car is the same year and paint color. but the link can be found here
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Another great write up and informative for a noob detailer like myself. Going to put that sonax wheel cleaner on my next product order. Speaking of products what is your preferred store to shop at? My last order was from detailers domain but just wondering what everybody else uses
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Thanks for the great write up! ![]() I had used Meguiar's wheel cleaner on my painted wheels last weekend and noticed it slightly ate into the painted finish. I have been looking for a less abrasive wheel cleaner. I will def be picking up a bottle of Sonax tomorrow to try that out. Again appreciate the informative post! |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Hell yea! Thanks Travis! Washed my car yesterday and used only a few of the pointers you gave and what a difference it made! I was I'm the dark, I thought washing a car was washing a car. Really appreciate the great write up Travis! EDIT: Alright read through the whole thing. Just one thing to point out that I do is I use a squeegee on the windows (especially front and back windows), and I do so going from top to bottom across the window. I've noticed that this elimintes the lines that the windshield wipers leave, that are visible when the car gets a little dusty or wet for whatever reason. I use rain-X too, that shit is awesome. Basically the same effect that wax has on paint, but for your windshields. Thoughts Travis? Again, really diggin this write up and looking forward to obtaining all this washing gear.
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There are a few good products on the market for Window sealants. The Gtechniq line of products is ok, I did some testing with them last year. Fairly new company from Germany. it is a bit pricey for the average DIY guy. I'm not in the office right now but I'll post up some links for this type of product later.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Very nice write-up, @Travis;. That's the same method I use on my car. However, I had never tried to spray quick-detailer on my drying cloth. I tried it today and I like the results! Thanks for the tip. One thing that I like to do (after the exterior is dry) is take a lower quality microfiber cloth and open up all the doors, the hatch, and the gas filler door and wipe off any excess water. This helps prevent water spots from forming and makes your car look extra clean. Very few people take the time to clean the door jambs and having clean jambs makes the job look very professional. In your upcoming tutorial on paint correction, could you give some pointers on using a DA buffer on angled surfaces? I have the PC7424XP with 6.5" pads and it is difficult to use on the sharp angled surface like the front bumper or the lower half of the doors. I'm sure reducing the cutting pad diameter would help but there has to be some technique that makes it easier.
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I plan on doing the article with multiple machines; flex 3401vrg, maybe the rupes 21, griots Garage orbital, and the PC 7424xp. - Travis
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I'm not sure if you mentioned it or not, I might have missed it.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score To add to this, I dry the windows and mirrors first after flooding the paint to avoid watermarks. And to clean the glass I use Invisible Glass (use the aerosol type, not the liquid spray or the wipes). |
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Gotta be careful with wax too. I worked detail for a few years at a car dealership, and if you get any wax on the plastic pieces it's almost impossible to get off without leaving an underlying white fading appearance on it. Best product i've found out there to remove it is called Krud Kutter, and if you scrub away at it, it'll bring the black/gray plastic back to life.
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Just take it slow while your waxing, there is zero rush during this step. You can also tape off the plastic trim so you don't hit it if you are worried about it.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score great write up! this should help a lot of people out who really dont know proper wash/dry techniques. on a side note, how do you like V7? I keep reading on autogeek that it contains alcohol which is killing everyones LSP and beading abilities, so im hesitant to try it. I've been hooked on blackfire polymer spray lately.
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I have seen no evidence of it containing alcohol. Although there is other products I prefer for this CBM paint as a dry aide like dodo juice red mist. Just works well with this color paint. Real reason I like vo7 is that you don't need much and it dresses the trim nicely if your in a hurry.
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score Thanks! Good to know. Although I haven't found that the alcohol really deteriorates the protection time or the layers of wax laid beneath it. But I haven't used it right after my lsp either, so the wax beneath it has always been fully cured by the time vo7 is applied. Red mist is definitely one of my all time favorites for sure, but Adams quick detailer is in a close second.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score That Sonax wheel cleaner is great, but it's expensive and I won't use it unless I'm working on something really gross. For most of us that will wash weekly (or more) in the warmer months, a dedicated wash bucket for the wheels is more than enough for me. A coat of synthetic sealant on the wheels every few months makes for effortless cleaning (even with the OEM crazy-dusty pads).
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Yes you are very correct, cleaners like sonax do not need to be use every single time, especially if your doing weekly washes. Some PH balanced shampoo and a wheel brush will work just fine. Reserve your expensive cleaners for when it's only necessary. Adding sealants into the equation is another argument in its self. There is soooo many on the market these days and it's difficult to say which one is "best". But when properly applied they will be your wheels best friend. It's stupid easy to get brake dust off, most of the time I'll just use my Karcher pressure washer to remove the dust without using another bucket or any soap. So in a way using synthetics is a bit of a money saver on top of being a time saver. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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"Best" sealant is very subjective - IMHO it really depends on the individual and how often he/she plans to apply it to the car. Personally, I have much less time to devote to car cleaning that I used to so I value something that is reliable, easy to use and offers long lasting protection. For me, the winner is Klasse all-in-one...I prefer AIO to their dedicated sealant which can be a little tricky to remove if even slightly over-applied. For over the counter stuff, I still love NXT for it's ease of use, metallic pop and wonderful smell. For those that will apply often, the longevity isn't as much of an issue. Finally, for other time savers, the Gilmour foam master II great! It saves the trouble of mixing/measuring a wash bucket and is helpful for pre-soaking at one wash ratio and washing with another. While the car pre-soaks, I like to spray some simple green in wheel wells and agitate with an old wheel brush before rinsing.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Question about the Klasse stuff. Read up on it but didn't get a definitive answer. For the whole car, if I use the AIO followed by the dedicated sealant, does that take the place of a polish/glaze/wax with other products? Meaning I wouldn't need to wax after applying the sealant? Edit: I'm dumb, dug around some more and found what I needed...adding a layer of carnuba wax on top of the sealant is optional but will help it shine better. K. sent from my phone because it's 2014
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AIO can also be diluted in a spray bottle for a nice quick detailer to be used right after a wash.
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score I enjoy the foam master but ever since I got the foam cannon I haven't looked back. I like klasse as well but I do think chem guys black light works better and is less finicky when over applied. Attached is a couple pictures of the foam cannon used with a Karcher PW and chem guys Mr. Pink shampoo. ![]() ![]() Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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