cp-e™ 12Days Sale - Day12 The wait is over!!! Intake Manifold!!!!

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Day twelve of our 12Days sale
The wait is over Intake Manifold release
http://cp-e.com/webstore/product/maz...take-manifold/
Thank you for a wonderful 2015. We hope you enjoyed the sales. HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!
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[Easter Bunny]

Thats a damn good price.

[MD1032]

[neganox]

More info about this havoc rail?

[Code Monkey]

White paper?

[mr.speedy3]

Originally Posted by Code Monkey White paper?

This.

@www.cp-e.com

[Mazdazilla6]

Perfect! I love the design, especially the bell mouths!

@www.cp-e.com; Is there any chance there will be a meth version?

@Enki; Looks like it works with TMICs too.

[SarcasticOne]

Holy shit...
Christmas miracle (25th in Australia when this was released)

[chapy18]

Looks pretty but do you have any numbers, flow, dyno, etc.....

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[Modality14]

You would release this..right after my car gets wrecked..god damn it lol..looking to see the power these make

[Enki]

Need to see runner angle into head and confirmation on TMIC working properly before I jump off a cliff buying this thing and having to figure out how to make a TMIC work with it.

[speedfreak44]

It is definitely pretty but pretty doesn't mean it's good in bed. Bravo on the release, can't wait to see results.

[SpeedRebirth]

A little help for the lazy people













No pics of the top though?

Damn... it weighs 40 lbs lol!!

[maisonvi]

Interested for sure, but I can't imagine anyone will buy one without more information. Flow comparisons, fuel rail cost, pictures of the whole thing.

I was looking forward to this release, but feeling disappointed with how they went about releasing it.

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[shaneski]

Originally Posted by maisonvi Interested for sure, but I can't imagine anyone will buy one without more information. Flow comparisons, fuel rail cost, pictures of the whole thing. I was looking forward to this release, but feeling disappointed with how they went about releasing it. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

It is odd, you would think if the thing worked there would be test results etc all over the place, considering there isn't even any on their own shop page where it is sold isn't giving a good signal that it has even been tested in the wild.

[Tokay444]

Great idea and design.
Poorly executed. Those velocity stacks look worse than the cheap Cosworth knock offs for the MZR/Duratec heads.

[Mazdazilla6]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 Great idea and design. Poorly executed. Those velocity stacks look worse than the cheap Cosworth knock offs for the MZR/Duratec heads.

Please elaborate. What makes these velocity stacks so bad?

Originally Posted by shaneski It is odd, you would think if the thing worked there would be test results etc all over the place, considering there isn't even any on their own shop page where it is sold isn't giving a good signal that it has even been tested in the wild.

There are pictures of this on a car from over 2 years ago. They might still be writing up results.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 Great idea and design. Poorly executed. Those velocity stacks look worse than the cheap Cosworth knock offs for the MZR/Duratec heads.

Now this is something i want to personally address....

Brock has been a long term member of MSF. He has designed some brilliant seals for our injectors.

However, he has found himself in a bit of a scruff with a few vendors over the last 18 months. There were times that he was talked to about how his actions were inappropriate, which he agreed they were and would stop his non sense.

Unfortunately, he continues to renege and attacks new parts produced as he may not agree with their design, price, or who is manufacturing it. This wouldn't be an issue if say we had a large scale platform like mustangs, evo's,, honda's, etc... however, we are a Niche platform and its not like companies are developing new parts weekly for us. I feel this isn't what the platform needs... we need to embrace new parts so our platform has more options for making power. Intake Manifolds are key pieces for us using aux fueling to make big power.

I am upholding the ban on Tokay because he had many opportunities to clean up his act. Brock as a person is a good guy but when you walk onto the forum with an agenda, its not going to get you very far. I know there is a save Tokay thread, but there is no saving someone who has been continuously warned and counseled for previous attacks on other vendors.

We are not a GTR platform... we definitely are not interested in paying 8X the $$ for parts because they look pretty or carry the "compatible with gtr" label. If Brock wants to produce such parts, he has that free market right... I wish him the best of luck with his NSX platform...

[Tokay444]

The fact they aren't smooth and uniform. Especially on the lead-in rads.

[Enki]

He means look at this picture really close.

Edit: Hopefully the listed shipping weight of 40 lbs is a typo too.

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by Enki He means look at this picture really close. Edit: Hopefully the listed shipping weight of 40 lbs is a typo too.

Looks like some finishing is definitely needed... Maybe after casting even if it DOES bump the price up a bit. (I'd gladly pay for a smoother transition)

[Mazdazilla6]

So you're upset that a cast part, is cast?

If that really bothers you that much then take 20 minutes and go at it with a polishing bit on a dremel. This manifold will already outflow the JMF no problem. I think people are really overexpecting with this. IMO this is about as far as they could have gone with an IM and still keep it affordable.

[LumberJack]

Originally Posted by Mazdazilla6 So you're upset that a cast part, is cast? If that really bothers you that much then take 20 minutes and go at it with a polishing bit on a dremel. This manifold will already outflow the JMF no problem. I think people are really overexpecting with this. IMO this is about as far as they could have gone with an IM and still keep it affordable.

How do you know it's already going to outlfow a JMF? They've published ZERO FLOW on this manifold let alone any results on a big power car...

I believe Justin is trying to get his hands on one asap to do a direct back to back swap since he has his own dyno now.

Until someone proves this will outflow a JMF, it does not outflow a JMF. Those transitions and velocity stacks leave much to be desired, those look poorly executed.


NOTE: If we are talking affordable... This is a cast manifold that costs as much as a full welded/cnc intake manifold that actually requires physical work to be done to put it together... I'd gander to say in all honesty the cost on one of these to be made is sub $300. Not everyone on this platform is cheap, some people will pay the $$ to get top quality parts on there car... Myself being one of them...

[Mazdazilla6]

Originally Posted by LumberJack How do you know it's already going to outlfow a JMF? They've published ZERO FLOW on this manifold let alone any results on a big power car...

I do not know. Based on what I know about airflow principles, on paper this design provides a better airflow path. I'm not saying the JMF doesn't work, as we've seen the power that can be made on them. Also, being a 6 owner I'm far less than thrilled about how the JMF has to be modified to fit, not something that should have to be done on a $1000 manifold.

Originally Posted by LumberJack I believe Justin is trying to get his hands on one asap to do a direct back to back swap since he has his own dyno now.

Awesome! I'm happy to see we will actually have some numbers that can be compared.

Originally Posted by LumberJack NOTE: If we are talking affordable... This is a cast manifold that costs as much as a full welded/cnc intake manifold that actually requires physical work to be done to put it together... I'd gander to say in all honesty the cost on one of these to be made is sub $300. Not everyone on this platform is cheap, some people will pay the $$ to get top quality parts on there car... Myself being one of them...

Just adding on a bit here this piece is also CNC'd too. After it's cast they still have to cut for the access plate, all the mounting areas (map sensor etc.), injector bosses, etc. While the casting may not be too expensive there is still extra work that goes into this. With a handmade piece (eg JMF) you are mostly paying for the fabrication time. With a casting you are paying for the process. In either situation both companies need to make money, how they achieve that is just a different road.

[Yatta]

Originally Posted by Mazdazilla6 .... Just adding on a bit here this piece is also CNC'd too. After it's cast they still have to cut for the access plate, all the mounting areas (map sensor etc.), injector bosses, etc. While the casting may not be too expensive there is still extra work that goes into this. With a handmade piece (eg JMF) you are mostly paying for the fabrication time. With a casting you are paying for the process. In either situation both companies need to make money, how they achieve that is just a different road.

As it is CNC’d why not go in through the access port and do a light smoothing on the bells? I am thinking a ball hone would do the interior well but seeing casting remnants on the edge make me hope these pictures were rushed with unfinished product. also, does/has anyone seen the head side of this equation, how do the runners mate (angle, split, or?)

Excited about this but am afraid we rushed them and the result is we don’t have the full story. (install doc missing, test/beta evaluation results, etc).

[Mazdazilla6]

Originally Posted by Yatta As it is CNC’d why not go in through the access port and do a light smoothing on the bells? I am thinking a ball hone would do the interior well but seeing casting remnants on the edge make be hope these pictures were rushed with unfinished product. also, does/has anyone seen the head side of this equation, how do the runners mate (angle, split, or?)

My guess would be because that kind of additional CNC work would take a ton more time on the production as well as having to write it.

It kind of looks like theres a slight angle to the runners, somewhere between stock and JMF. Also they are split like stock after the bellmouth.

[Tokay444]

It's already the most expensive manifold on the market and it isn't finished...
100% of castings are cast. Not all of them look like they came out of a Chinese sweat shop.

[Mazdazilla6]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 It's already the most expensive manifold on the market and it isn't finished... 100% of castings are cast. Not all of them look like they came out of a Chinese sweat shop.

That Cosworth mani costs almost twice as much. Of course it's going to be a better quality. I'm sure Cp-e considered using a higher quality company but how much cost would that add? IMO a higher quality cast isn't worth it if it's going to cost hundreds more when I can go in there and polish it myself for practically nothing.

I'm interested to see what about the head flange holes.

[MD1032]

What does the head side of the manifold look like I wonder? Does it have split runners like the OE?

[Tokay444]

Yes.

[jdmage_mx5]

I have an honest concern and question. I have the CPE exhaust manifold in which some of the bolts were a nightmare to install because the holes were drilled to close to the runners. Is this going to be the same case as seen in the picture below? Notice the hole that is on the head side flange. There is no way on earth a bolt is going to tighten down there.

[SpeedRebirth]

Originally Posted by jdmage_mx5 I have an honest concern and question. I have the CPE exhaust manifold in which some of the bolts were a nightmare to install because the holes were drilled to close to the runners.

You talking about the studs to the head or turbo? I had absolutely no issue tightening my cpe mani to the head. Mine is v-band so I don't have studs to the turbo. I've seen people that needed to cut the studs on the turbo to get the nut on. And with some turbos you may need to do the same on the head studs because the compressor housing hits it, but that's not a cpe manifold issue since it's stock location. No biggie IMO.

The hole location on the IM on the other side.... That one's gonna be fun

[jdmage_mx5]

Originally Posted by SpeedRebirth You talking about the studs to the head or turbo? I had absolutely no issue tightening my cpe mani to the head. Mine is v-band so I don't have studs to the turbo. I've seen people that needed to cut the studs on the turbo to get the nut on. And with some turbos you may need to do the same on the head studs because the compressor housing hits it, but that's not a cpe manifold issue since it's stock location. No biggie IMO. The hole location on the IM on the other side.... That one's gonna be fun

My issue was with the turbo to manifold. I am running the oem style flange. My flange was slightly off center which pushed one of the bolts into the runner area. So in a sense it is a CPE issue. Had the flange gone on straight it would have been clear for the bolt head. I have a few of their products and each one has a quirk that was not very thought out in the design process. Over all I am very happy with everything I have from them, it's just each install has been an adventure.

[MD1032]

Ah yes. Reminds me of how they cast my wonderful CP-E downpipe where the only way to tighten the lower two nuts is with a stubby open ended wrench from underneath, after removing the turbo bracket...

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[r3d]

I like the looks of it, definitely interested in getting it, but I'm with Enki on TMIC fitting. I see the intercooler mounting bracket, but will the cold pipe needed to be modified to fit the inlet angle?

[maisonvi]

For sure the flow will be better than a JMF with two 90s. Curious to see how the casting looks in real life too.

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[Tokay444]

The white paper doesn't matter if it doesn't bolt up to the head.

[Etipp98]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 The white paper doesn't matter if it doesn't bolt up to the head.

We don't use this hole... idk why they have that on this flange

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by Etipp98 We don't use this hole... idk why they have that on this flange

You're right. That's where the dowel goes. They probably drill through and then ream half way or more and press the dowel in. This way it can be pushed back out if needed.

[jdmage_mx5]

Originally Posted by Etipp98 We don't use this hole... idk why they have that on this flange

Thank you!! This makes so much more sense. I didn't even think about dowels.