The CX7 really enjoyed our FullControl™ flash

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So, when we started the dyno we first runs we made were with the FullControl flash. To be honest, we weren't expecting a whole heck of a lot from the flash on a stock CX7 so we also wanted to dyno the lower gears. We figured that even if we didn't pick up a whole lot of peak power in the upper gears, the lower gears are so restricted in terms of throttle mapping the car /had to/ pick up power with the flash. To our (pleasant) surprise, I don't think any of that was necessary in hindsight, lol.

3rd gear pull



2nd gear pull



1st gear pull




To give a little more detail about the CX7, the vehicle was bone stock save for the PnP Standback. We decided to attach the Standback not for boost control or higher numbers, we simply wanted to datalog the runs so that we could compare data from one run to another in an attempt to understand exactly where the extra opwer is coming from exactly. So the Standback was set to 15psi, but all of the timing and fueling tables were zereod out. The vehicle also had no intake or exhaust modifications, so this is pretty much a stock CX7 with the flash.

I'm going to go over the datalogs over the next few days, and if you guys have anything in particular that you'd like to see please let me know and I'll do my best to post the data up here.

[gsrtype1]

Sweet!!! I can't wait to get this Flash!!!!

[gsrtype1]

those are some real siginificat gains for just a stock veichle!!

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Originally Posted by gsrtype1 those are some real siginificat gains for just a stock veichle!!

No kidding! I don't think any of us ever expected gains like that on a /stock/ CX7

[phailerider]

Im gonna buy a cx7 so I can get this flash!

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Originally Posted by palerider Im gonna buy a cx7 so I can get this flash!

[phailerider]

Hey now... i thought that was kinda funny. Those numbers are incredible. Now what is the difference between the ko3 on the cx7 and the ko3 on my gti? Are they the same?

my gti is running 19-21 psi in 4th on up. With the standback changing boost and the throttle control, you could make a cx7 rollout, huh?

very nice Jordan... im sure you all feel very vindicated. It is interesting the different perspectives were seeing on this ecu. Bottom line is, I'll take the results every time.

[www.cp-e.com]

Originally Posted by palerider Hey now... i thought that was kinda funny. Those numbers are incredible. Now what is the difference between the ko3 on the cx7 and the ko3 on my gti? Are they the same? my gti is running 19-21 psi in 4th on up. With the standback changing boost and the throttle control, you could make a cx7 rollout, huh? very nice Jordan... im sure you all feel very vindicated. It is interesting the different perspectives were seeing on this ecu. Bottom line is, I'll take the results every time.

I know, I was trying to be funny too but I guess I failed miserably

Actually I think the turbo on the CX7 is in fact a Hitachi-Warner K04, but the difference between this one and the one on the MS3/6 is the cold side. So I *think* the CX7 turbo is closer to the MS3/6 than the gti. And I doubt the CX7 will tolerate 19psi, unfortunately. We targeted 15psi with the Standback and it barely make that! I'll post up the logs once I get a spare moment, but they're interesting as compared to the MS3/6.

And thanks for the kudos Randy. I can't tell you how nice it is to be pleasantly surprised every once in a while

[TiZi]

Congratulations boys. Great work. Hopefully this will help to ease some of the doubts about what this flash can do on a stock car. This shows the flash to be beneficial at all stages of modding. Great stuff, keep it up.

[dread]

very cool. Amazing results, I am sure the cx-7 guys are creaming their pants.

[dadasracecar]

Giddyup guys, the intro price won't last forever...

[Laloosh]

damn, i bought the wrong car lol

[Betelgeuse]

Nice numbers but it would be more convincing if the standback was left out of the picture altogether. Your reasoning for hooking it up is sound, but it really doesn't make the vehicle stock anymore, zeroed or not.

[Betelgeuse]

Originally Posted by Laloosh damn, i bought the wrong car lol

With the extra 500 or 600 lbs the cx-7 weighs, you bought the right car, trust me. I had one for a week and while it was agile and drove like a big sedan, it couldn't hide the extra pounds.

[dadasracecar]

Originally Posted by Betelgeuse Nice numbers but it would be more convincing if the standback was left out of the picture altogether. Your reasoning for hooking it up is sound, but it really doesn't make the vehicle stock anymore, zeroed or not.

No offense dude but your gripe is BS. The breathing mods accentuate the throttle problem/benefit from keeping it open. THe SB, in this case, is just a boost controller. No, it's not stock but it's the closest to stock that anyone reading this will ever care about. It seems like you're trying to pick a fight or something.

[Betelgeuse]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar No offense dude but your gripe is BS. The breathing mods accentuate the throttle problem/benefit from keeping it open. THe SB, in this case, is just a boost controller. No, it's not stock but it's the closest to stock that anyone reading this will ever care about. It seems like you're trying to pick a fight or something.

No, picking a fight is reserved for you. We all know you're the king and I have no desire to take your crown. I'm simply calling it as I see it. I'd like to see a stock car meaning bone stock, that's all.


Edit: I made a comment here that wasn't necessary. So I took it out.

[dadasracecar]

Originally Posted by Betelgeuse No, picking a fight is reserved for you. We all know you're the king and I have no desire to take your crown. I'm simply calling it as I see it. Sorry if I didn't kneel down and automatically start sucking like you normally do. I'd like to see a stock car meaning bone stock, that's all.

Hey guy, what's the matter can't take it when someone disagrees with you? It's a stock car with a boost controller. If you have a problem with me, then lets discuss it privately. There is no need for you to act like this.

[Laloosh]

Originally Posted by Betelgeuse With the extra 500 or 600 lbs the cx-7 weighs, you bought the right car, trust me. I had one for a week and while it was agile and drove like a big sedan, it couldn't hide the extra pounds.

sarcasm dude....

The CX7 has a torque limit, to protect the transmission.

[Betelgeuse]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar Hey guy, what's the matter can't take it when someone disagrees with you? It's a stock car with a boost controller. If you have a problem with me, then lets discuss it privately. There is no need for you to act like this.

You're the one that's on my case. I'm just simply stating an observation and an opinion. I have no problem with disagreement, it's just that I know you and your reputation. I don't know you personally to hate, but if you're gonna come in with an attitude, you'll get it right back.

There's really nothing more for me to add. If they're gonna claim a stock car made X amount of power with their flash, well..... let's leave the 'boost controller' out of it. That's all I'm saying. Someone with a bone stock CX-7 might see these numbers and expect the exact results when in reality, they could be lower. Not everyone is willing to pay for a standback or mess around with a boost controller.

[dadasracecar]

Originally Posted by Betelgeuse You're the one that's on my case. I'm just simply stating an observation and an opinion. I have no problem with disagreement, it's just that I know you and your reputation. I don't know you personally to hate, but if you're gonna come in an attitude, you'll get it back. There's really nothing more for me to add. If they're gonna claim a stock car made X amount of power with their flash, well..... let's leave the 'boost controller' out of it. That's all I'm saying. Someone with a bone stock CX-7 might see these numbers and expect the exact results when in reality, they could be lower. Not everyone is willing to pay for a standback or mess around with a boost controller.

I didn't come in with any attitude. You're nitpicking results for no reason other than you don't like cp-e. Jordan stated the SB was there for datalogging results. They didn't up the boost over stock. The SB just holds boost better than stock.

Oh, now I get it. If these results were from COBB things would be different...

[Betelgeuse]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar I didn't come in with any attitude. You're nitpicking results for no reason other than you don't like cp-e. Jordan stated the SB was there for datalogging results. They didn't up the boost over stock. The SB just holds boost better than stock. Oh, now I get it. If these results were from COBB things would be different...

Did I mention Cobb? No. I have to desire to argue with you any further. I stated my opinion and I'm leaving it at that. If you think it's nitpicking, fine.

[kingpin748]

Hey guys! Way to piss all over the thread!

Congratulations!

[Haltech]

Im about ready to lock up another thread. Keep it up.

[phailerider]

Good grief. Nice stupidity going on here on some interesting findings in the "CPE section".

Now we got arguing over an suv....lol Great results. the standback is irrelevent btw. If anything its interesting that a standback was used on the vehicle to begin with.

Are standbacks compatible with this car yet? Im unaware.

[NYpest]

no 4th gear pull ?

[AzMs3]

From having had a CX-7 for a breif time I can see there being some gains from this. Just driving it you could tell there was some sort of ECU trickery that wouldn't let it get out of its own way from a stop.

Just wondering if the flash helped the beast get off the line better or is the lag still there.

Also curious again why the dyno pulls are never at a consistant RPM?

I can also see what betelgeuse is saying as it is NOT stock with the standback doing a better job at holding boost.


Good gains though.

[Anklh]

Are PnP standbacks available for the Speed 3?

[Redsand426]

I agree that using the standback as a boost controller is kinda cheating. The whole reason I'm even interested in getting this flash is so that I can maintain stock boost at higher RPM's without a boost controller.

Good results none the less, but would I see the same results without a standback controlling boost?

[SLS MS3]

Unless I'm missing something, I don't see what the big fuss is that the StandBack was involved. I guess ideally there could have been a 3rd run made with a completely stock vehicle, but this still seems like an apples-to-apples comparison to me.

Congrats to CP-E for the accomplishment. I can't see how this is anything but more good news for our community. Since the dynos were datalogged, any chance we can see plots of some of the parameters during those runs? Boost/AFR/Timing/Temps/Knock/ect.

Was the boost limit still there? The CX7 hits 8 psi and 12psi in first and second gear.

[Laloosh]

if the standback was used both pre/post flash then i dont see the problem. If the car was dynoed stock then the standback was used along with the flash, then the results should be taken with a grain of salt.

When my car was stock 15 psi was a dream, it maybe spiked 15 and held 12-13 in the upper gears

[SgtP]

my wife will be excited to hear this! she hates driving the 7 after driving my car. it feels so slow. this and a cpe intake should liven it up a little!

[dread]

I agree with laloosh as long as it was on their for the pre and post flash runs the results are valid. I didn't realize the ms3 barely holds 15 without a boost controller. I never had anything to monitor before I got the AP. The cx-7 must be even worse. Why can't mazda make an auto tranny that can handle some power.

[NYpest]

Originally Posted by dread I agree with laloosh as long as it was on their for the pre and post flash runs the results are valid. I didn't realize the ms3 barely holds 15 without a boost controller. I never had anything to monitor before I got the AP. The cx-7 must be even worse. Why can't mazda make an auto tranny that can handle some power.

Why can’t the runs be done on a stock car??? **without the standback controller** Seems to me we are talking about the "flash" and what the FullControl™ flash can do for the CX7.

The standback is proven to give performance already. Why not show the power of the "FLASH" ON ITS OWN with the rest of the tune being stock difficult boost and all....... The standback may not be in one's budget!

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by NYpest Why can’t the runs be done on a stock car??? **without the standback controller** Seems to me we are talking about the "flash" and what the FullControl™ flash can do for the CX7. The standback is proven to give performance already. Why not show the power of the "FLASH" ON ITS OWN with the rest of the tune being stock difficult boost and all....... The standback may not be in one's budget!

That is a very valid point.

CPE States: "So the Standback was set to 15psi, but all of the timing and fueling tables were zereod out. The vehicle also had no intake or exhaust modifications, so this is pretty much a stock CX7 with the flash."

So, the CX7 is locked in at 15 psi with the SB? We all know one of the best datalogging software availabe is by AutoEnginuity, so if you want to datalog it, there you go. Its a cheap, good solution for shops. I think the question being raised is, removing the SB altogether to make a valid "control" to the numbers that show an increase.

[dadasracecar]

Originally Posted by Haltech That is a very valid point. CPE States: "So the Standback was set to 15psi, but all of the timing and fueling tables were zereod out. The vehicle also had no intake or exhaust modifications, so this is pretty much a stock CX7 with the flash." So, the CX7 is locked in at 15 psi with the SB? We all know one of the best datalogging software availabe is by AutoEnginuity, so if you want to datalog it, there you go. Its a cheap, good solution for shops. I think the question being raised is, removing the SB altogether to make a valid "control" to the numbers that show an increase.

The SB was there for datalogging purposes. The AE tool may be cheap but it's not cheaper than a SB for cp-e...

The argument about the SB is kind of pointless though when you think about the effects of the TP. The TP closing is a big restriction of flow. The valid comments about a stock car were based around cars with breathing mods that will accentuate the TP effects. This car had no such breathing mods to accentuate anything.

In this case the only restriction that was eliminated was the TP. The cx-7 likely made more power/torque with the SB but the gains are all due to the flash and they would be there SB or not.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar The SB was there for datalogging purposes. The AE tool may be cheap but it's not cheaper than a SB for cp-e... The argument about the SB is kind of pointless though when you think about the effects of the TP. The TP closing is a big restriction of flow. The valid comments about a stock car were based around cars with breathing mods that will accentuate the TP effects. This car had no such breathing mods to accentuate anything. In this case the only restriction that was eliminated was the TP. The cx-7 likely made more power/torque with the SB but the gains are all due to the flash and they would be there SB or not.

It's not pointless. You locked the CX7 into 15 psi mode through the sb, but zero'd the tables... we all know that damn thing doesnt make 15 psi like the MS3. So, why not show a dyno with it out of the mix completely? Is that to much to ask for to end the argument?

Are you telling me a SB can log every single PID like the AE? Im doubting this.

[dadasracecar]

It's not an argument btw the SB and the AE. The issue is that cp-e doesn't have an AE. As for the holding boost, you're right about the ultimate power number but the gains realized from the flash will be translatable w/ or w/o the SB present because the hardware (DP, exhaust, IC, intake) is the same and all stock.

[NYpest]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar The SB was there for datalogging purposes. The AE tool may be cheap but it's not cheaper than a SB for cp-e... The argument about the SB is kind of pointless though when you think about the effects of the TP. The TP closing is a big restriction of flow. The valid comments about a stock car were based around cars with breathing mods that will accentuate the TP effects. This car had no such breathing mods to accentuate anything. In this case the only restriction that was eliminated was the TP. The cx-7 likely made more power/torque with the SB but the gains are all due to the flash and they would be there SB or not.

Point taken dada !

but whats it like if i dont want your standback? and where are the gains in 4th?