Pictures of the cp-e "nano"

[smakdown61]

So on the other forum I see that cp-e is expecting the nano to equal the power of their cai? What happened to all the talk about sri's sucking in hot air and being inferior to the cai's?

[www.cp-e.com]

Originally Posted by smakdown61 So on the other forum I see that cp-e is expecting the nano to equal the power of their cai? What happened to all the talk about sri's sucking in hot air and being inferior to the cai's?

I promise you the laws of physics haven't changed

We measure horsepower using a dynamometer, which is typically accompanied by a cooling fan. So when we compare the Nano to the Xcel, we'll have a proper fan blowing fresh air into the engine bay. In that case, we expect the products to make more or less the same power. On the street, you can't bring a dyno fan with you, so when you come to a stop, the Nano will suck up more hot air than the Xcel, and consequently make less power.

We're not making the Nano because we think it's better than our Xcel, we're making it because people want it. Does that make sense?

[smakdown61]

Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com We're not making the Nano because we think it's better than our Xcel, we're making it because people want it. Does that make sense?

Thats all I wanted to hear. If I didn't have a cobb sri I would definately pick one up.

[SgtP]

i would pick this up and sell your cobb for a slight profit probably.

Why would you sell an SRI to buy an SRI. It makes no sense.

[labikesrcool]

Originally Posted by MZRDISI4 Why would you sell an SRI to buy an SRI. It makes no sense.

why would you sell a car to buy a car?

[smakdown61]

Originally Posted by labikesrcool why would you sell a car to buy a car?

Um, I wouldn't sell a car to buy the exact same car again....that is the position on the intake. He does present a good idea though. I could make a pretty good profit on the cobb intake if I sold it now. However, it may not be comptable with any AP OTS tunes...that remains to be seen. If it is, the cobb sri value will plummet as people will just pick this one up. I think I'll be safe and stick with what works for right now.

[labikesrcool]

From what I've seen of the prototype so far they aren't the exact same.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by labikesrcool From what I've seen of the prototype so far they aren't the exact same.

yeah... ones made out of plastic and the other is made out of what looks like pure platinum.

[Hectik1]

I want one! Great work CP-E!

[MadOzodi]

Originally Posted by palerider ...pure platinum.

[Hypnotized]

Looks good. I will buy this.

[FreeFlyFreak]

Dry filter??

I hope so.

I would never use an oiled filter, Cobb should have a dry flter option IMO also.

I am sticking with OEM box until I can get a SRI with straightener, dry filter, non metal cool air box option.
So far there isnt one.

[Silver Ecstasy]

Originally Posted by freeflyfreak Dry filter?? I hope so. I would never use an oiled filter, Cobb should have a dry flter option IMO also. I am sticking with OEM box until I can get a SRI with straightener, dry filter, non metal cool air box option. So far there isnt one.

+1

Or AEM CAI!

[billyrohm]

sub

[saranya]

tagged for early adopter discounts

[Mistersix]

i'm completely ready to buy this!!!!

and yes, dry filter only please!!!

[FastAttack]

interested

[Silver Ecstasy]

CP-E, what type of filter you guys wanna run on this thing? (PS. AEM DRY FLOW PLEASE!)

[desperado callado]

Originally Posted by Silver Ecstasy CP-E, what type of filter you guys wanna run on this thing? (PS. AEM DRY FLOW PLEASE!)

AFE Dry Flow.

[www.cp-e.com]

Originally Posted by Silver Ecstasy CP-E, what type of filter you guys wanna run on this thing? (PS. AEM DRY FLOW PLEASE!)

I'm glad that you brought this up actually. I've got a question for you guys.

When we started this company we originally packaged oiled filters with our cold air intake kits. Then there was a lot of noise about oiled filters contaminating mass air sensors, so we decided to switch to dry fow filters. We've been selling aFe's DryFlow variant for a little over a year now, and we're considering once again going back to oiled filters.

We recently started communicating with a well known filter manufacturer in the US. They've been forwarding us a lot of technical data regarding their filters, and so far as we can tell their oiled filter is far and away the best filter on the market at the moment. The oiled filter does in fact look to filter solid particles better than a dry flow, and also flow better to boot.

The more we look into the whole "MAF contamination problem," the more it looks like dealers trying to weasel their way out of warranty work back when EFI was new technology. How many times have you guys been told that an aftermarket exhaust makes turbos smoke because the free-flowing system "overheats the turbo?"

K&N Mass Air Flow Testing Findings

We're going to look into this further, but we wanted to get your input on the matter. So let me ask you guys, if we were to present 3rd-party empirical data that proves without a doubt that oiled filters are better than dry flow, would you all consider making the switch? If need be I'll start a new thread for this topic.

[ATE BALLER]

I have always prefered dry personally. With that said though, I've been running your oiled filter from back in the day for quite some time now without any problems.

[MiSbrigo3]

Thanks for the filter info--I've always been attracted to dryflow simply from an ease of maintenance standpoint, but when it comes down to it, if a certain filter flows much better than others, I'll take it regardless of whether it's dry/oiled.

...any update on the timeframe for launch of the nano?

[Rutedown]

Oil it is and where do I send my money .

[www.cp-e.com]

Thanks for the replies guys

The Nano is now officially in production! We're going to be tweaking the housing geometry some more over the next day or so, but we've begun manufacturing the kits.

[SgtP]

Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com Thanks for the replies guys The Nano is now officially in production! We're going to be tweaking the housing geometry some more over the next day or so, but we've begun manufacturing the kits.

WORD. let me know when you need those dyno numbers!

[MiSbrigo3]

fantastic news excuse my lack of knowledge/experience here--now that manufacturing has begun, any way to tell when we can actually order?

[FreeFlyFreak]

Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com K&N Mass Air Flow Testing Findings We're going to look into this further, but we wanted to get your input on the matter. So let me ask you guys, if we were to present 3rd-party empirical data that proves without a doubt that oiled filters are better than dry flow, would you all consider making the switch? If need be I'll start a new thread for this topic.

I would consider it.

But the K&N data does not impress me, they produce an oiled filter, they would not publish data negative to their cause.

It would have to be independent 3rd party data, that compared flow rate and filtration efficiency of 2 identically sized filters (dry brand and oiled brand) compared under standardized conditions.
Tests I have seen in the past showed oiled flow better but dry filter better. Therefore the optimum solution was to use the biggest dry filter that would fit in the space available. This is from my powerstroke diesel days.

Why not have a dry or wet filter option?? Shouldnt be too hard to do, let the market decide for real.

[FreeFlyFreak]

Originally Posted by MiSbrigo3 Thanks for the filter info--I've always been attracted to dryflow simply from an ease of maintenance standpoint, but when it comes down to it, if a certain filter flows much better than others, I'll take it regardless of whether it's dry/oiled.

If flow is your only concern then dont run a filter.

Flow and filtration are opposing sides.

No filter = best flow, worst filtration, you will dust your engine in no time.

Very best filtration flows badly, no performance but doesnt let any particulates through.

The key is finding the best balance.
The best flowing filter, without destroying your engine in a reasonable time period because of unfiltered contaminents.

[Speedie6]

Originally Posted by freeflyfreak Dry filter?? I hope so. I would never use an oiled filter, Cobb should have a dry flter option IMO also.

I'm using an Amsoil dry with my Cobb. They should offer it, but, they don't.

Overall, I think that I like the plastic design of Cobb better for heat reasons. That is why I think I will stick with my Cobb likely. But, I want an airbox and Cobb doesn't have immediate plans for an airbox for the 6. So, I dunno...

[xact]

Originally Posted by MiSbrigo3 Thanks for the filter info--I've always been attracted to dryflow simply from an ease of maintenance standpoint, but when it comes down to it, if a certain filter flows much better than others, I'll take it regardless of whether it's dry/oiled.

+1. I'd prefer dry, but would take either. Particularly since this is a shorty (the target buyer is erring on the side of caution) it seems like a dry filter might be best. A dry filter with lots of surface area would help offset its flow disadvantage.

Just a personal observation on filtering: I've used oiled filters before on ATV's in conditions with huge amounts of incredibly fine dust. After as little as 50 miles in these conditions (with a properly oiled filter), there was visible dust accumulation on the velocity stacks inside the airbox feeding the carbs. That said... I don't plan to drive my MS3 in the Baja 1000, so I'd be content either way.

Since the filter is responsible for the intake's velocity stack on this design, that should be a key factor in the filter selection process.

[reddeerspeed3]

Originally Posted by xact Just a personal observation on filtering: I've used oiled filters before on ATV's in conditions with huge amounts of incredibly fine dust. After as little as 50 miles in these conditions (with a properly oiled filter), there was visible dust accumulation on the velocity stacks inside the airbox feeding the carbs. That said... I don't plan to drive my MS3 in the Baja 1000, so I'd be content either way.

on the opposite side of that, i've found sand size particles inside of dry filters before (atv's as well). it doesnt appear to damage the filter, more likely they get caught and slowly work through the foam over time, but i prefer the oiled filter myself. every vehicle i've owned got a k&n drop in at their first oil change, and i've never had any MAF problems unless i over-oiled the filter.

[LBV]

I've used K&N for years too without any issue ... the oil will catch finer dust particles I bet better than a dry-flow.

[desperado callado]

Originally Posted by freeflyfreak I would consider it. But the K&N data does not impress me, they produce an oiled filter, they would not publish data negative to their cause. It would have to be independent 3rd party data, that compared flow rate and filtration efficiency of 2 identically sized filters (dry brand and oiled brand) compared under standardized conditions. Tests I have seen in the past showed oiled flow better but dry filter better. Therefore the optimum solution was to use the biggest dry filter that would fit in the space available. This is from my powerstroke diesel days. Why not have a dry or wet filter option?? Shouldnt be too hard to do, let the market decide for real.

I agree, even if it means that you choose one as a default and charge a little more for the other as an option, that's fine with me.

[Silver Ecstasy]

AFE Dryflow? Never heard of them.

I've heard nothing but amazing things about AEM's dryflow. I've had K&N and had oil get sucked in from not letting it dry properly. I don't want to go down that road again honestly.

[desperado callado]

Originally Posted by Silver Ecstasy AFE Dryflow? Never heard of them. I've heard nothing but amazing things about AEM's dryflow. I've had K&N and had oil get sucked in from not letting it dry properly. I don't want to go down that road again honestly.

AFE is the filter company that CP-e has been using all along for oiled filters and I think they started using them for dry filters as well. Yeah, this is the problem with oiled filters, not the way they come from the factory but users over-oiling them, etc.

[crazyitalian041]

Originally Posted by Silver Ecstasy AFE Dryflow? Never heard of them. I've heard nothing but amazing things about AEM's dryflow. I've had K&N and had oil get sucked in from not letting it dry properly. I don't want to go down that road again honestly.

They are fucking amazing, way better then aem imo.

[Silver Ecstasy]

Yeah I over-oiled it and it didn't take long till it happened. I wasn't happy with it at all. And I never knew how often to clean it so I think I cleaned it 3 times in a year. That was a total pita to take the wheel off each time and pull the plastic off (on my old car).

[www.cp-e.com]

This is great feedback guys. It seems like most people here are open to either type, assuming there is data to back up the claims.

Originally Posted by freeflyfreak I would consider it. But the K&N data does not impress me, they produce an oiled filter, they would not publish data negative to their cause. It would have to be independent 3rd party data, that compared flow rate and filtration efficiency of 2 identically sized filters (dry brand and oiled brand) compared under standardized conditions. Tests I have seen in the past showed oiled flow better but dry filter better. Therefore the optimum solution was to use the biggest dry filter that would fit in the space available. This is from my powerstroke diesel days. Why not have a dry or wet filter option?? Shouldnt be too hard to do, let the market decide for real.

Good points. I posted the K&N information because they came under the most fire in regards to oiled filters, and I was interested in hearing "their side" of the story. I wouldn't be surprised if dealers did help that MAF contamination story spread. It seems to me that if you do contaminate the MAF sensor with oil, just spray it with some electrical cleaner.

We'll do exactly what you suggested though. We plan on running third party tests to show which filters perform best, because like our customers we want to only run the best products out there. So if oiled filters do perform better in terms of either filtration or flow, then we'll have to seriously consider one over the other. On the other hand, if our customers feel strongly one way or another then we'll absolutely listen!

Originally Posted by xact Since the filter is responsible for the intake's velocity stack on this design, that should be a key factor in the filter selection process.

Thankfully we can put a velocity stack on either filter (dry or oiled).

I think once we post some data the opinions will become more polarized

[LBV]

You guys are getting the filter company names mixed up ... AFE makes oiled filters, AEM makes the dry ones. Also, here's "independent" tests from AEM's website: http://www.aempower.com/files/dryflo...iraid9inch.pdf