Socks came to cp-e!!

[GQ_WhiteMS3]

Well ... I was giving up on this car, but I may be digging in and building now.

[www.cp-e.com]

Alright time to make some comments and I really hope they do not cause problems but I don't want any comparisons to Race Roots.

Please do not assossiate or compare us with race roots. The only reason their motor hasn't blown is because they are not making power or torque. I personally do not believe their dyno to be valid and real. I have real proof but will not go public. Our runfiles and muiltiple dynos will be posted.

Doing this on a stock block will NOT be supported by cp-e. If I put our tuning solution and flashes tuned PERFECTLY on the RR car the motor would vent a rod near instantly. This motor is not capable of making the power we are now able to make on a stock bottom end.

We brought seans car here and with a turbo 1/2 the size of the RR dyno made the same whp as what RR claims to have made yet did it at 19psi on pump gas, DI only, and no meth and he has LOWER compression than stock. Power begins at 3500 (400wtq hit at 3500rpms) and power holds on till redline. Our results are NOT able to be replicated by an AP. Like I have said multiple times - what we have found completely removes the limits this car has had in the passed. Sean tried EVERYTHING to make power with his AP. The best he was ever able to do was 355whp on a dynojet. That 355whp made 290whp on our dyno and we put down over 100whp and 100wtq over that. This motor will NOT stay running on a stock engine. RR may endorse that but when actually making power we don't. Sean's power under the curve is maintained from 3500rpms on. It does not make power between 5500 and 6500 only.

We are not RR's competition. We do not make turbo kits. We offered Brice our tuning solution but his business practices led to our companies not working together. His kit seems to be quality. The only issue is that an AP does not have access to areas in the ECU that need to be adjusted and as a result the car can not make this kind of power on it. If Brice is willing to blow his motor I would be more than happy to put this on his car just as I would with any other regular customers car.

[6-Speed-6]

Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com but I don't want any comparisons to Race Roots.

Umm, your entire post was a comparison.

[GQ_WhiteMS3]

Now ... when you say built motor ... is pistons / rods enough or are we talking about bullet proofing the whole thing.

[socks]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn So you officially (very likely) have the highest hp ms3 out there? Noice.

The highest on cpe's dyno was 380, which turned into 435 on a local dynojet.

Im not gonna claim that, because even if i did, it wont last long once these flashes start selling.

Originally Posted by GQ_WhiteMS3 Now ... when you say built motor ... is pistons / rods enough or are we talking about bullet proofing the whole thing.

all i have is rods, pistons, and ARP studs.

My head is stock....

[GQ_WhiteMS3]

Originally Posted by socks all i have is rods, pistons, and ARP studs. My head is stock....

Are the upgrades you made to your fuel system required? (extra pumps etc)

[socks]

No. They aren't a bad thing to have but all the other dynos they have done have had stock intank.

[flyrevs2]

Question for CP-E: I have an AP, is it possible to flash with the AP then apply the CP-E wall flash ? In other words can you use the AP and the CP-E flash at the same time, or do you need to ditch the AP completely and get the CP-E standback / wall flash ?
Also how is the CP-E flash applied, I didn't know you guys had a flash tool.
Thanks

[GQ_WhiteMS3]

I asked this one last night ... AP has to go bye bye and you have to get the standback to tune.

[BlackMS3]

Hell Yes!

A complete kit for X amount of power will make a shitload of money, any reason you don't want to throw that into the marketplace?

[socks]

it is not possible to incorporate the cpe flashes into the AP.

you cant flash the ecu with an ap, and then flash it with CPE without uninstalling the ap.

CPE flashes completely overwrite the ECU, so if you install an AP and then flash it with the cpe tune, you will lose AP functionality. It goes both ways, if you get the CPE flashes, and install an AP, you lose the CPE flashes.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by BoostIsBetter great to hear the results, but until we see a track vid/timeslip, it doesn't mean much. could have great peak power, but nothing under the curve and still running low 13's, high 12's. i'm rooting for you guys as well, but details details details. especially because if this is just a flash, we know that the stock pump and internals can handle this (already proven by RR), not sure about 450, but at least 400 safely.

Umm, ok... 390 to the wheels on a Mustang dyno equate to 460s on a DJ.. Do the power to weight ratio math and thats a mid 11 sec car at 12x mph. The only way you are running 13's or 12's on this car is if you plan on going to the track on radials.. i will endorse your fail card immediately.

Congrats on getting this fuckin car some respect Cp-e!

[www.cp-e.com]

Thanks Kevin - The greatest part about all this is you DONT have to come here to do it. We need to flash your ECU and then you can tune it yourself or we can etune it with you. Sean, myself, and a few other people can help you tune through the logging capabilities of the standback. We do loving having people like Sean come up though - it was a blast having him here. In March we'll get him back up here for some 1/4 mile racing!!

Well I guess its time to start heading back to the dyno to pull the runfiles off so we can finish the blog. Sean is packing up for his fun drive home now.

[flyrevs2]

so is this a new flash not yet on cp-e's website ?

If I understand it correctly you need to get the standback, full control flash, fuel cut flash, wall flash for big power. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks

[aaronc7]

congrats and excited to see the platform finally taking a big step forward!!!

[www.cp-e.com]

Originally Posted by flyrevs2 so is this a new flash not yet on cp-e's website ? If I understand it correctly you need to get the standback, full control flash, fuel cut flash, wall flash for big power. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks

It will be incorporated in one of the flashes when you purchase the complete line of FCF.

[Cosmic3MPS]

This is great news for the US Mazdaspeed community indeed. Are there any plans to enable the FCF to be performed internationally (Australia for instance)? If the equipment was available here could you license the work to be performed outside of the US?

[www.cp-e.com]

As far as I know we plan on limiting ECU flashing to our location. We will flash internationally but we do not plan to release the flash to distributors as we only flash in house. They have access to sell the flashes but the ECU still needs to come to us.

I am going to close the thread and the next time you see a post from me will be to link our blog update with all the info!!