Because 640HP didn't completely squash Darksun's spirit

[Deldran]

@crazyp I don't think speedsixx is affiliated with ptp so idk y u quoted him. Yes he was instagating but I think that's just him nothing to do with ptp

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[thatsmrgimp2u]

7) profit

[crazyp]

Originally Posted by pipefan88 @crazyp I don't think speedsixx is affiliated with ptp so idk y u quoted him. Yes he was instagating but I think that's just him nothing to do with ptp Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

he definitely is because like Erich he defends PTP all the time. edit: but unlike Erich he lacks diplomacy

When your a customer your affiliated. Which explains why I defend DJ to an extent.

I'm just saying this thread should be about Erich's car making 700 whp. Asking how much his build cost is a valid question anyone would get asked on any car forum. Of course no one ever tells lol.

[Erich]

Originally Posted by crazyp he definitely is because like Erich he defends PTP all the time. edit: but unlike Erich he lacks diplomacy When your a customer your affiliated. Which explains why I defend DJ to an extent. I'm just saying this thread should be about Erich's car making 700 whp. Asking how much his build cost is a valid question anyone would get asked on any car forum. Of course no one ever tells lol.

Yes I do defend PTP. But for well over a year and a half I honored what was asked of me as a moderator in the community and didn't mention PTP. Even in my build thread I didn't mention them, because at the time it was considered detrimental to this community. That is all despite me being opposite to the opinion the community held on him.

I also thought about offering to do CSR work for PTP here, but that would require me to give up my mod position. And despite what several individuals would like people to believe, I take those responsibilities as a mod seriously and believe I serve this community better being a moderator than doing CSR for John at this point (serve the interests of the community rather than just the interests of a vendor.)

[SofaKingAwesome]

Originally Posted by Erich Yes I do defend PTP. But for well over a year and a half I honored what was asked of me as a moderator in the community and didn't mention PTP. Even in my build thread I didn't mention them, because at the time it was considered detrimental to this community. That is all despite me being opposite to the opinion the community held on him. I also thought about offering to do CSR work for PTP here, but that would require me to give up my mod position. And despite what several individuals would like people to believe, I take those responsibilities as a mod seriously and believe I serve this community better being a moderator than doing CSR for John at this point (serve the interests of the community rather than just the interests of a vendor.)

We know this, not aimed at you though.

[HPFPUPGRADE]

Originally Posted by 06Speed6 Hey john, I am hearing the arp phased out their L19s because the 625+ is cheaper than the L19s now, can you get the 625s in our size and length for mains and head? Im thinking the 625+ might be cheaper than tapping the block for larger studs. Thought ide throw this in here cuz its already off topic lol

I heard that as well, I just bought out the rest of the L19's for the SRT4 heads.

I will look into the 625's for our application and get back to you when I have a spare moment.

Originally Posted by jashw311 Sorry, my post was after a shitty night at work and a little more bourbon than I needed. I'll fuck off now. Congratulations to you and John on the build, very impressive numbers.

That is signature worthy!

Thank you!

[HPFPUPGRADE]

Originally Posted by crazyp he definitely is because like Erich he defends PTP all the time. edit: but unlike Erich he lacks diplomacy When your a customer your affiliated. Which explains why I defend DJ to an extent. I'm just saying this thread should be about Erich's car making 700 whp. Asking how much his build cost is a valid question anyone would get asked on any car forum. Of course no one ever tells lol.

I use to have this problem on other forums and my answer is this.

I will not control any man or woman to express or share opinions with others. The second I start messing with the statements of others, it pulls away from who they are.

A customer defending us is not a representative of us, its a representation of them. Does SpeedSixxx sound a little crazy at time, yea... maybe. Does this mean he collects a pay check from us, no... hell no (LOL).

With the internet people get butt hurt all the time. I see people defending tuner xx or company xx and I know details about them (tuner or company) that might change the opinions of those looking at their services or parts. Do I share my opinion, no and for good reason. You will never change the minds of some people, no matter how nice of a "guy" you are, they are just hell bent on being an ass and dragging you and your name into the trash can or defending you and your name until they are crucified on the forums.

Now when people make assumptions that one person or another is part of "us", well we all know what making assumptions can do.

Erich has used or services and bought our parts, he has a right to share his opinion. SpeedSixxx has used our services and parts... he has a right to share his opinion (about us). What about all the people that like to share their opinions about us yet have never bought a part or used any of our services?



Thanks,

John

[Erich]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn If i ever say something that's wrong, then by all means correct it. I hope to God i'm not giving out advice that could potentially damage someone's car. And you should not consider that an attack. I'm just trying to get the facts straight, so joe-blow doesn't come in here and read your post telling people to torque their studs to 90 ft-lbs.

This isn't entirely true. I have watched John make perfectly civilized observations and ask completely valid questions in several threads over the last month only to have what he is doing be twisted into "There goes John attacking other members." (and that includes at least one comment by you.) I have offered him advice to read his posts multiple times before submitting them and sometimes the best course of action is to delete. I guess I should have offered the same advice to some of the other members about responding to him. It may not be intentional, but there is a tendency to "villainize" John at times over things that don't really deserve those actions. And yes I do understand that is probably ingrained based on past dealings with him, but that doesn't make it any less counter productive for everybody involved.

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by crazyp I'm going to be honest here because I am interested in possibly buying some ptp products soon but The attitudes exhibited by you and HPFPUGRADE really give me pause because I hate dealing with people who think they know everything about everything or like to belittle or antagonize other people. Erich does not do this so I have gained alot of respect towards him because he doesnt get bated or bate other people into stupid arguments. You how ever do. Even I know the IM fiasco is all about the shop not having time or inclination to do it. silver is not and was not going to sell it. so why blame him for it?

first off crazyp, how can my comments give you pause about dealing with HPFP when I live in NY and I buy parts off the dude?

I have nothing to do with HPFP, PTP, Erich or anything else you may think.
I express my opinions on certain matters (MY OPINIONS) and I defend whoever I want whenever I want...

So please do yourself a favor and me and don't hold HPFP or anyone else accountable for what I state as my opinions..

Funny thing is I've been apart of this forum for years now... I read all the BS and all the stories about what has or may have happened in the past so like I said I have my opinions and I have all the right in the world to defend a company or man who I think is being unjustifiably accused of nonsense or other shenanigans.

as for Silversurfers IM....

anything I say on that matter is obviously my opinion buddy and nothing more but one or two things I know for fact about it...

1. it was ugly as fuck
2. it flowed like SHIT with the TB off at the flow bench (for a custom IM)
3. another dudes IM flowed over 300cfm WITH THE TB ON @ the flow bench...

I can say and will say what I want about it.. and the fact that it's not for sale to others SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

good day

Originally Posted by pipefan88 @crazyp I don't think speedsixx is affiliated with ptp so idk y u quoted him. Yes he was instagating but I think that's just him nothing to do with ptp Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

thank you...

someone is sane and logical

[Deldran]

Ur welcome @SpeedSixx.

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[crazyp]

@SpeedSixxx

you are not corporately affiliated but some who make an investment IE purchasing parts from a vendor will sometimes try to defend that investment plain and simple. this sometimes get to the point of personal attacks and the like. I agree you can do what you wan't its your right but it doesn't belong in this thread is what I'm saying.

Now if every PTP bashing argument ends up with you defending them and bashing people then I can't help but associate you with them because it's always you it seems. Just the way it is IMHO. Nothing personal I just don't like bullying / holier than thou attitudes from anybody take that how you want.

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by crazyp @SpeedSixxx you are not corporately affiliated but some who make an investment IE purchasing parts from a vendor will sometimes try to defend that investment plain and simple. this sometimes get to the point of personal attacks and the like. I agree you can do what you wan't its your right but it doesn't belong in this thread is what I'm saying. Now if every PTP bashing argument ends up with you defending them and bashing people then I can't help but associate you with them because it's always you it seems. Just the way it is IMHO. Nothing personal I just don't like bullying / holier than thou attitudes from anybody take that how you want.

I thank you for the insight and personal feeling on the matter.

I guess lately I have been getting into it when I don't have to, I know it's not my place but when I feel I should write something I do. It's only human.

I am a bit shocked that I come off as holier then thou and shit... that's not my intent and I really don't think that way. I'm a very straight forward dude and sometimes people can't handle that.

again, thanx for the input and i'll try and let Erich and HPFP defend themselves if they feel the need.

have a good sunday.

The walking dead's last episode tonight.

[josey]

Originally Posted by 4G63 1) WTF happened to this thread 2) Fuck the haters 3) Erich and John made 700whp. Not one person on earth has come close to this 4) This is more power than 99.9% of the guys on this site want or will ever have but it's still bad ass 5)????? 6) I wish I had a bigger penis

2 dj
was just asking what studs is he using because of 3)
kill me im guilty


what about 6)
wondering what would your neighbor said to that (no no, not your wife) I think she wouldnt be happy at all

[djuosnteisn]

Lol, i'm not a hater.

[Tokay444]

I tend to be up on most of the relevant threads, but how the fuck did John get banned again?

[mason]

yeah, how did HPFP get banned again? i might have missed something, but id like to listen and learn some more from HPFP. i think we might be pushing the wrong peeps away from here.

[Deldran]

He got banned again. I saw some posts from him today I thought

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[JMEngineer]

Originally Posted by SpeedSixxx as for Silversurfers IM.... ....one or two things I know for fact about it... 1. it was ugly as fuck 2. it flowed like SHIT with the TB off at the flow bench (for a custom IM) 3. another dudes IM flowed over 300cfm WITH THE TB ON @ the flow bench... I can say and will say what I want about it.. and the fact that it's not for sale to others SPEAKS FOR ITSELF

I usually agree with what you say but I have to defend Scott on this one...

1. Function > form
2 and 3. Where are you getting your information?

Flow numbers vary even more than dyno numbers and are easily manipulated so comparing numbers is meaningless unless the tests are done on the same bench and the conditions are very well controlled.

Scott's manifold flowed a full 25% more than the stock manifold he tested in his comparison... but in reality that's not even the most important number unless every other flow restriction has been removed. For 99.99% of us, the flow balance is far more important than the increase in flow and Scott's manifold reduced the variance in flow between runners from 16% to under 3%.



Think about it this way:
The leanest cylinder is generally going to be the one that defines your limits for timing and AFR.
Every cylinder gets the same amount of fuel and the same ignition timing (could change if COBB figures out individual cylinder trims).
For simplicity of this example assume that 12:0 is the minimum safe WOT AFR and the flow ratios on the bench are the same as the flow ratios on the car.

The leanest cylinder, flowing 239 units of air, requires 19.9 units of air for a 12:1 AFR.
The other cylinders flow 233, 212, and 207 units of air but still get 19.9 units of fuel which makes their AFRs 11.7, 10.7, and 10.4.

How much power do you think the cylinder running 10.4afr is going to generate compared to the cylinder running 12.0 AND flowing 11% more air+fuel mass??


I'd also like to point out that your observed total afr would be 11.2:1 ((239+233+212+207)/(19.9*4)) even though the true limiting afr is 12.0:1.
Simply balancing the flow and leaning out all cylinders to 12.0:1 would give you a solid increase in both power and fuel economy at WOT.



Bottom line: Scott's design is very good and none of the issues have been his fault.

[Boonestafa]

post 113.. that is certainly one instance that i would actually invite egg on my face. hot chick with solid racing knowledge and some serious cred. shit.. I've never done a 7 sec quarter.

also.. did we ever get numbers from Erich? did this thread stop getting posts just because of the pissing contest? did Erich ever drop his fueling method or is it the 5th/6th injector that has since become common knowledge? we get so many posts on this forum and as always the search function sux.

[greg08]

true

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by Boonestafa post 113.. that is certainly one instance that i would actually invite egg on my face. hot chick with solid racing knowledge and some serious cred. shit.. I've never done a 7 sec quarter. also.. did we ever get numbers from Erich? did this thread stop getting posts just because of the pissing contest? did Erich ever drop his fueling method or is it the 5th/6th injector that has since become common knowledge? we get so many posts on this forum and as always the search function sux.

Search function works fine.. time to learn how to properly use it.

[greg08]

I drove an Evo X. It wasnt as fun as my MS6

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by greg08 I drove an Evo X. It wasnt as fun as my MS6

but the evo has decades of tech behind it.. it can't be so.lol

I agree with you

[greg08]

Originally Posted by SpeedSixxx but the evo has decades of tech behind it.. it can't be so.lol I agree with you

ahahhaa thank you. i drove the 5 speed, which is the strongest trans on the evo x. it was good, but not better than speed 6..

[TRD420]

WOW Great Numbers

[slw97]

Did street vids ever happen?

[SofaKingAwesome]

Originally Posted by SpeedSixxx but the evo has decades of tech behind it.. it can't be so.lol I agree with you

Originally Posted by greg08 ahahhaa thank you. i drove the 5 speed, which is the strongest trans on the evo x. it was good, but not better than speed 6..

Originally Posted by TRD420 WOW Great Numbers

Originally Posted by slw97 Did street vids ever happen?

I hope all 4 of you die in a fire.

[Chimmike]

Only if you jump in first @SofaKingAwesome;


Sent from my your mom's face on my junk

[SofaKingAwesome]

Originally Posted by chimmike Only if you jump in first @SofaKingAwesome; Sent from my your mom's face on my junk

I'd say I hope you burn too @chimmike; but being a ginger in Florida is probably already punishment enough.

[TRSpeed]

Ghey.. thread revival

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[Erich]

Originally Posted by TRSpeed Ghey.. thread revival Sent from my DROID4 using Tapatalk 2

Yeah, they should go post in one of the other multitude of 700+ HP threads that are sure to be around a year after the first car made it there.... oh wait.

[Jin]

Such a beast....

[mxlplx71]

Originally Posted by Jin Such a beast....

one year since last post anniversary thread bump

[Jin]

Originally Posted by mxlplx71 one year since last post anniversary thread bump

Yeah just find out that it is exactly one year....

[Crarrs]

Buy it.

[greg08]

4 years wussup