MS3 (2007) vs STI (2009)

[zlatan]

My car:
-Custom Testpipe.
-Sure Intake.
-Autotech FP Internals.
-1 Passenger.

STI:
-Cobb Exhaust.
-Passenger.

My friend and I have been racing and doing motorsports for a long time now. His friend recently picked up a 2009 STI. He decided to give me a call and race me with his friends car. (His friend can't drive.) We did about 5 races 4 of which I didn't miss a gear (fuck you 3rd.) Regular shifting had us at even until about 100mph. I'd start pulling a bit and the STI would clip the race. On the last race we did a 45 roll, brake boosting and WOT shifting. I ended up pulling a car on the STI by 100mph and by 120mph it was a steady climb. Seems like these cars really enjoy WOT shifting. I'm kind of disappointed in the STI. I'd figured it would be a good bit faster than my car. I'll have my DP in shortly, we'll go for a rematch if possible and see if there's a noticeable gain.

[MSFer87]

DP and AP then rematch and record it to show the STI guys that they can be beaten.

[regulator84]

Originally Posted by jdmoptiontune DP and AP then rematch and record it to show the STI guys that they can be beaten.

Well gee, I would hope a DP/intake/tuned MS3 could beat a stock (since exhaust alone does nothing on the GR STI) STI.

[deek]

actually dp and full exhaust on a sti picks up big, but not just cbe. but mine was a 05' dont know about the newer ones.

[MSFer87]

Originally Posted by regulator84 Well gee, I would hope a DP/intake/tuned MS3 could beat a stock (since exhaust alone does nothing on the GR STI) STI.

What's common sense to MSF is not to the rest of the automotive world (considering MS3/6 aren't that well known by people to by fast) . The point was to show the touched-by-god STI folk that they can be beat by other cars, and to record it to show proof.

[regulator84]

Originally Posted by deek actually dp and full exhaust on a sti picks up big, but not just cbe. but mine was a 05' dont know about the newer ones.

he didn't say full exhaust, so i'm assuming just CBE, especially since a tune would also be required for a DP, and a Stage 2 STI would walk and MS3 with intake.

Originally Posted by jdmoptiontune What's common sense to MSF is not to the rest of the automotive world (considering MS3/6 aren't that well known by people to by fast) . The point was to show the touched-by-god STI folk that they can be beat by other cars, and to record it to show proof.

I'm not sure who these touched-by-god STI folk are that you interact with, but it's a pretty well known fact that they are slow from a roll when stock.
Even with the Stage 1 flash, I feel like mine is only as fast from a roll as my MS3 was with intake (this is just butt dyno, though).

But again, putting what is essentially a stage 2 MS3 against a stock STI doesn't really prove anything. All the STI needs is the same mods to shit on it again.

[Palms]

But again, putting what is essentially a stage 2 MS3 against a stock STI doesn't really prove anything. All the STI needs is the same mods to shit on it again.[/QUOTE]

it does when you consider price tag difference…..

[MSFer87]

Originally Posted by regulator84 he didn't say full exhaust, so i'm assuming just CBE, especially since a tune would also be required for a DP, and a Stage 2 STI would walk and MS3 with intake. I'm not sure who these touched-by-god STI folk are that you interact with, but it's a pretty well known fact that they are slow from a roll when stock. Even with the Stage 1 flash, I feel like mine is only as fast from a roll as my MS3 was with intake (this is just butt dyno, though). But again, putting what is essentially a stage 2 MS3 against a stock STI doesn't really prove anything. All the STI needs is the same mods to shit on it again.

Ok first you say STIs are slow from a roll stock, and the turn around and say it will shit on an MS3 with mods? Your contradicting yourself. You really think people with STIs don't think they're cars are fast, because I'm pretty sure if you asked anyone who owned one, would think it could beat a MS3/6 no problem.

[regulator84]

Originally Posted by Palms But again, putting what is essentially a stage 2 MS3 against a stock STI doesn't really prove anything. All the STI needs is the same mods to shit on it again.

it does when you consider price tag difference…..[/QUOTE]

The price tag debate is always the good fallback for those who can't afford. Next usually comes the "I could afford it but..."

The performance difference EASILY justifies the price difference, and anyone who says otherwise doesn't have enough experience with both.
I used to spout the same stuff before buying an STI and actually having experience with it.

Originally Posted by jdmoptiontune Ok first you say STIs are slow from a roll stock, and the turn around and say it will shit on an MS3 with mods? Your contradicting yourself. You really think people with STIs don't think they're cars are fast, because I'm pretty sure if you asked anyone who owned one, would think it could beat a MS3/6 no problem.

I said
"But again, putting what is essentially a stage 2 MS3 against a stock STI doesn't really prove anything. All the STI needs is the same mods to shit on it again."

meaning that once we are back to talking about evenly modded cars, not a modded MS3 against a stock STI, it will shit on it. Seems pretty clear, with no contradictions.

And I never said that STI owners don't think their cars are fast. I said I don't know where you are getting the opinion that they think they can't be beat (which is what you said).

Not sure if you're just not paying attention to what I'm typing, or if your comprehension is lacking.

[Palms]

Originally Posted by regulator84 it does when you consider price tag difference…..

The price tag debate is always the good fallback for those who can't afford. Next usually comes the "I could afford it but..."

The performance difference EASILY justifies the price difference, and anyone who says otherwise doesn't have enough experience with both.
I used to spout the same stuff before buying an STI and actually having experience with it.


lol all im saying there is literally a 10k difference is base price, it should be rolling a ms3 all day at that price, even with minor bolt ons. We know its a better overall car, and it should be for 10 grand extra… i mean for 30g's u can get a 5.0, which would destroy a bolted ms3. and no i cant afford a fucking sti haha

[alphasaur]

Originally Posted by regulator84 it does when you consider price tag difference….. The price tag debate is always the good fallback for those who can't afford. Next usually comes the "I could afford it but..." The performance difference EASILY justifies the price difference, and anyone who says otherwise doesn't have enough experience with both. I used to spout the same stuff before buying an STI and actually having experience with it. I said "But again, putting what is essentially a stage 2 MS3 against a stock STI doesn't really prove anything. All the STI needs is the same mods to shit on it again." meaning that once we are back to talking about evenly modded cars, not a modded MS3 against a stock STI, it will shit on it. Seems pretty clear, with no contradictions. And I never said that STI owners don't think their cars are fast. I said I don't know where you are getting the opinion that they think they can't be beat (which is what you said). Not sure if you're just not paying attention to what I'm typing, or if your comprehension is lacking.

From a roll a stock sti isn't beating a stock speed 3. They will be close.

[breakfstincluded]

:3

music to my ears.

[myt_tuf1]

Sorry OP, it's not your fault, but this thread sucks now...

[BobbleHead]

Originally Posted by myt_tuf1 Sorry OP, it's not your fault, but this thread sucks now...

posting bench racing stories doesn't prove anything. I can make a thread about me beating a GTR from a dig in my MS3 which doesn't make it true. So really any bench racing thread sucks. I've posted two and I'll admit they sucked

[zlatan]

[JBThrasher22]

Lets just go with they are both slow cars will be slow and move along with life

If your racing your STI from a roll anyway your doing it wrong to start with

[Payne Racing 67]

Originally Posted by alphasaur From a roll a stock sti isn't beating a stock speed 3. They will be close.

2nd that...I pulled a stock STI by 1.5 cars when I was stock at less than 1k miles

[Speeed3]

Okay FYI my boy had a stg2 sti with fmic I had dp intake and stg2 walked him by 3 cars. Mod for mod there not faster of a roll. Anyone with a sti ALWAYS say they will beat me but always lose

[alphasaur]

Pulled on an sti with a cai

zzzzzzz

they have 30hp over us with awd

Cool.

[zlatan]

Originally Posted by JBThrasher22 Lets just go with they are both slow cars will be slow and move along with life If your racing your STI from a roll anyway your doing it wrong to start with

My car will not stay lightly modded. I'll go with a 3071 eventually. As for roll racing an STI, we were on the freeway in Guadalajara. What were we supposed to do come to a complete stop and launch on the freeway? LOL

[JBThrasher22]

Originally Posted by zlatan My car will not stay lightly modded. I'll go with a 3071 eventually. As for roll racing an STI, we were on the freeway in Guadalajara. What were we supposed to do come to a complete stop and launch on the freeway? LOL

No but if said person wanted a AWD expecting it to be fast from a roll they should have chosen the evo over the sti. It was a pun directed at all the roll racing sti talk because honestly most sti owners I know won't do a roll. Also power for power ( similar power levels ) a ms3 should not get walked by a STi from a roll as was hinted earlier.

Also I hope you do go BT eventually it really wakens up the ms3 platform. I had the opportunity to ride in one and it was quite enjoyable. I was hoping to see Phase at the IA meet over the last weekend but I never did because I have raced some BT(bigger turbo ) ms3 and I wanted to check out a k04 e85 because honestly his acceleration video pulls looks as fast if not faster than some of the bigger turbo speeds I have seen / raced. I have pretty muched pushed my stock k04 as far as it will go with traps on it topped out at 117 now so I wanted to get a few more runs in before I switched over to the EFR.

[regulator84]

Originally Posted by Speeed3 Okay FYI my boy had a stg2 sti with fmic I had dp intake and stg2 walked him by 3 cars. Mod for mod there not faster of a roll. Anyone with a sti ALWAYS say they will beat me but always lose

ok where in maryland are you?

my car is in the bodyshop right now (rear-ended), and i am getting shoulder surgery, so i wont be able to drive it until march or so, but at that point i will run my stage 2 STI against your stage 2 MS3, and you can videotape it or whatever else you want.

[2011speed]

Originally Posted by regulator84 ok where in maryland are you? my car is in the bodyshop right now (rear-ended), and i am getting shoulder surgery, so i wont be able to drive it until march or so, but at that point i will run my stage 2 STI against your stage 2 MS3, and you can videotape it or whatever else you want.

I love stis, but a properly tuned stage 2 ms3 should pull on a stage 2 sti...i know u have an sti and its hard for you to accept it. I say 60 rolls would b fair.

[J-Liss]

yea i have raced tons of sti at our street races from rolls and never lost, except for the GRD sti....he smashed me with like 5 fat people in the car.

i even have this sticker on my car for anyone who wanna holla!

[Speeed3]

Originally Posted by regulator84 ok where in maryland are you? my car is in the bodyshop right now (rear-ended), and i am getting shoulder surgery, so i wont be able to drive it until march or so, but at that point i will run my stage 2 STI against your stage 2 MS3, and you can videotape it or whatever else you want.

Sounds like a plan but your gonna get rolled on... The STi is without a doubt the better car they handle better and offer the great 4wd but there is no way without a BT your pulling on my speed or any speed mod for mod the STi i beat had more stuff than I had I.E FMIC and protune.


Off a dig obv a different story.

[J-Liss]

Originally Posted by Speeed3 Sounds like a plan but your gonna get rolled on... The STi is without a doubt the better car they handle better and offer the great 4wd but there is no way without a BT your pulling on my speed or any speed mod for mod the STi i beat had more stuff than I had I.E FMIC and protune. Off a dig obv a different story.

IN for ms3 ownage over sti.

[MSFer87]

This thread just got better gotta love call outs. Only if this goes through so let's escalate this shit talk some and make it happen.

[regulator84]

Originally Posted by 2011speed I love stis, but a properly tuned stage 2 ms3 should pull on a stage 2 sti...i know u have an sti and its hard for you to accept it. I say 60 rolls would b fair.

I'm not having a hard time accepting anything. I had an MS3 before the STI, I am aware of what they are capable of.

Like others have said, sometimes the bench racing gets old and people need to just go run it.

It's a win-win for me, really. If an MS3 outrolls an STI I get to shut up a lot of people at work (I pretty much started a holy war by saying in a lot of circumstances an MS3 will roll an STI, as we apparently have a lot of fanboys).
And if STI wins, then well that's still good for me since I now own an STI.

I woulnd't start running my mouth if there was no way for me to somehow benefit.

[J-Liss]

Originally Posted by regulator84 I'm not having a hard time accepting anything. I had an MS3 before the STI, I am aware of what they are capable of. Like others have said, sometimes the bench racing gets old and people need to just go run it. It's a win-win for me, really. If an MS3 outrolls an STI I get to shut up a lot of people at work (I pretty much started a holy war by saying in a lot of circumstances an MS3 will roll an STI, as we apparently have a lot of fanboys). And if STI wins, then well that's still good for me since I now own an STI. I woulnd't start running my mouth if there was no way for me to somehow benefit.

sounds to me like you have already accepted your lose. MS3 already owned you mentally.

[breakfstincluded]

You know what's the greatest is when someone loses and they particularize their lost on a single mod you have.

Yes that's right I must have beat you because Fuel Pump and RMM adds 60hp.

Or maybe its only a honda people thing to say....

[2011speed]

Originally Posted by regulator84 I'm not having a hard time accepting anything. I had an MS3 before the STI, I am aware of what they are capable of. Like others have said, sometimes the bench racing gets old and people need to just go run it. It's a win-win for me, really. If an MS3 outrolls an STI I get to shut up a lot of people at work (I pretty much started a holy war by saying in a lot of circumstances an MS3 will roll an STI, as we apparently have a lot of fanboys). And if STI wins, then well that's still good for me since I now own an STI. I woulnd't start running my mouth if there was no way for me to somehow benefit.

lmao. I think we can all agree on the fact that an STI is a better car overall, its not meant to be raced from a roll, therefore it should be no surprise that a speed 3 would pull harder at higher speeds.. the real debate here is the sti worth the 10 K over a speed 3?

[regulator84]

Originally Posted by J-Liss sounds to me like you have already accepted your lose. MS3 already owned you mentally.

lol if you say so

Originally Posted by 2011speed lmao. I think we can all agree on the fact that an STI is a better car overall, its not meant to be raced from a roll, therefore it should be no surprise that a speed 3 would pull harder at higher speeds.. the real debate here is the sti worth the 10 K over a speed 3?

easily.
but i think it's also an opinion of income/perspective. if the price of an MS3 is comfortable and an STI would start to stretch them, that performance difference is gonna seem a lot narrower.

like for me, i see it like this. Is an M3 better than an STI? Obviously. Is it $25k better? Not in my opinion. But i think this is also forged by the fact that $30k for my STI was easy to swing, but $55k for an M3 would start to stretch my budget.

i dont even know if i'm making sense to anyone right now...

[J-Liss]

Originally Posted by regulator84 lol if you say so easily. but i think it's also an opinion of income/perspective. if the price of an MS3 is comfortable and an STI would start to stretch them, that performance difference is gonna seem a lot narrower. like for me, i see it like this. Is an M3 better than an STI? Obviously. Is it $25k better? Not in my opinion. But i think this is also forged by the fact that $30k for my STI was easy to swing, but $55k for an M3 would start to stretch my budget. i dont even know if i'm making sense to anyone right now...

that's actually a good analogy.

[2011speed]

Originally Posted by regulator84 lol if you say so easily. but i think it's also an opinion of income/perspective. if the price of an MS3 is comfortable and an STI would start to stretch them, that performance difference is gonna seem a lot narrower. like for me, i see it like this. Is an M3 better than an STI? Obviously. Is it $25k better? Not in my opinion. But i think this is also forged by the fact that $30k for my STI was easy to swing, but $55k for an M3 would start to stretch my budget. i dont even know if i'm making sense to anyone right now...

U making sense .

Well for me i can afford an sti, but what i choose not to pay is the crazy insurance and not to mention the maintenance is significantly more expensive than the ms3. so the way i looked at it was basically the only performance aspect that the sti is better is from a stop and when there is snow ran or mud, and just generally not being fwd .. would i take a straight trade for an sti same year and same mileag? Of course

What i really enjoy is feeling like a boss on the highway when stis come up next to me, while Im getting better mpg , personally i like my interior better, and of course the money Im saving my self.

[breakfstincluded]

Originally Posted by 2011speed U making sense . Well for me i can afford an sti, but what i choose not to pay is the crazy insurance and not to mention the maintenance is significantly more expensive than the ms3. so the way i looked at it was basically the only performance aspect that the sti is better is from a stop and when there is snow ran or mud, and just generally not being fwd .. would i take a straight trade for an sti same year and same mileag? Of course What i really enjoy is feeling like a boss on the highway when stis come up next to me, while Im getting better mpg , personally i like my interior better, and of course the money Im saving my self.

YES

[zlatan]

Why I chose an MS3 over EVO and STI.

Not many people have them in my area.

DISI is the future.

STI's stock block are slow and will pop faster than a virgins asshole in prison.

EVO drivetrains are notorious for breaking shit constantly.

I say this from experience, I've worked on many EVO's and STI's. Hands down bolt on for bolt on the MS3 will beat the STI. Now if we are talking going from a dig 60ft and 1/8th mile times would go to the STI. Hell maybe even the full 1/4 mile run. However mod for mod there is no way an STI will outtrap an MS3 going stage 1 2 and 3 vs stage 1 2 and 3.

[driver311]

Very true. Ive owned evo and mazda and lots of friends with stis. The mazda puts the hurt on them all around. Its a extremely nice street car with a race car personality when set up propa. My car is extremely good at all racing types. Drags, hillclimbs, autocross and track days. Its not the best at any but good at all.

Nice kill Z dog

[regulator84]

Originally Posted by jdmoptiontune This thread just got better gotta love call outs. Only if this goes through so let's escalate this shit talk some and make it happen.

sorry, he just traded in his MS3 for a WRX. guess its not gonna happen

Originally Posted by J-Liss sounds to me like you have already accepted your lose. MS3 already owned you mentally.

sounds to me like i won since the WRX owned him mentally enough to buy one LOL

[MS3KO]

90% of the races i had with sti's i won, theyre nothing special, a good launch and perfect shifts and the race is yours

[J-Liss]

Originally Posted by regulator84 sorry, he just traded in his MS3 for a WRX. guess its not gonna happen sounds to me like i won since the WRX owned him mentally enough to buy one LOL

false, there are tons here who will take you up on the challenge, spring time we post 1/4 times son!!