SnailD's High Altitude OTS Maps

[snailD]

Alright guys it's been a little while since i've talked about this. i had a good handful of people try these out for me and i believe they are ready for the folks stuck in the clouds to take advantage of.

The reason i created these OTS maps for those at high altitude is 90% of the time the standard cobb ots maps wont come close to reaching boost targets, and run very high timing resulting in KR. I wouldn't suggest running these maps without being over at least 3000FT above sea level.

I have two maps, a stage 1 map and a stage 2 map. The stage one map is for a stock HPFP and the stage 2 maps are for upgraded HPFP's. You mods will depend if you run on the low end of the boost targets or the high end.

I don't have all of them done. but here is the first handful. these ones are done because of who helped me work on them.

I will keep adding more maps as i have time, but this is how you install them onto your car.

1: You need to request and download Access Tuner Race from this link: Accesstuner Race Request Form
2: Download the appropriate map listed below
3: Open the map in ATR on your PC
4: Go to file --> Save Map
5: Upload the newly re-saved map to your accessport via Accessport Manager
6: Flash to your car

DISCLAIMER: Downloading and using these maps are AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither MSF or I will not be held accountable if anything were to happen to your car after installing one of these maps.

Listed below the maps have the stage 1 or 2 listed along with the type of intake they are meant for in the name. If you have any questions about which map you should run or just about the maps in general post here and mention me.

[snailD]

Saved for more maps...
DISCLAIMER: Downloading and using these maps are AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither MSF or I will not be held accountable if anything were to happen to your car after installing one of these maps.

[Pagan47]

What do you have boost targets set at?! And you should make a economy map for us built guys who aren't stock and can't run the stock eco map!

[Easter Bunny]

Very nice of you to go through all of this trouble.

[Agent_Orange]

Stuck.

Nice work @snailD;

[snailD]

Originally Posted by Pagan47 What do you have boost targets set at?! And you should make a economy map for us built guys who aren't stock and can't run the stock eco map!

15-16 on stage 1 and you can expect 17.5-19 on stage 2

you are already tuned, just keep your foot out of it! lol. i could make an extreme eco map, idk we will see. as of now all the info to make an eco map is in the thread gas mileage tuning.

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny Very nice of you to go through all of this trouble.

no worries man its all about helping when i can. this place has done a lot for me

Originally Posted by Agent_Orange Stuck. Nice work @snailD;

sweet deal

[blake0521]

Will you be posting 2010 maps for cobb intake? Or would it be fine to run the 2011+ map?

[snailD]

Originally Posted by blake0521 Will you be posting 2010 maps for cobb intake? Or would it be fine to run the 2011+ map?

stay posted, it wont work on a 2010. check back often for updates

[leo766]

yea i live at 10000 ft and run stock map but want to install the archived CPE CAI map.... is there any chance u would want to do a write up on what is required to adapt the car to this high altitude, I have an AP and looking through all the maps the Baro pressure sensor seems to have no impact, and the graph is a straight line.... what tables would u suggest copying from ur map to the one with the MAF calibrated for my intake? sorry if I ask too much but winter is coming and I would like to not see my trims always be 16+ LTFT and 4-10- STFT just boucing around like crazy

[snailD]

Originally Posted by leo766 yea i live at 10000 ft and run stock map but want to install the archived CPE CAI map.... is there any chance u would want to do a write up on what is required to adapt the car to this high altitude, I have an AP and looking through all the maps the Baro pressure sensor seems to have no impact, and the graph is a straight line.... what tables would u suggest copying from ur map to the one with the MAF calibrated for my intake? sorry if I ask too much but winter is coming and I would like to not see my trims always be 16+ LTFT and 4-10- STFT just boucing around like crazy

your trims are all over the place because you are running a stock map with a cpe intake. try one of my maps and import the cp-e maf scaling from an archived map. that will be much easier than the other way around

[snailD]

also i would love to hear feedback if anyone has run one of these

[blake0521]

Any stage 2 2010 maps?

[Thatonefriend1]

+2 on stage 2 for 2010... would give you all sorts of feedback but have nothing to compare too

[Yatta]

Going to have to scale for CPE intake as well, now where did that excel sheet go

[snailD]

i'll get to the 2010 stage 2's tonight

Originally Posted by Yatta Going to have to scale for CPE intake as well, now where did that excel sheet go

just copy and paste it from an archived cobb map into mine and click save. easier that way

[Thatonefriend1]

It'll be cool to see if i can even tell a difference lol

[Shampu]

That's awesome for you to take your time to do this, I live 7ft above sea level, lol so I can't take advantage of this. Nice work

[snailD]

yea sorry the internet at my place has been fucked and i've got alot of other shit going on. Promise i'll get to the 2010's tonight. i should be done with eveything by 7pm so i can work on these.

[Thatonefriend1]

Dont worry about it man. Youre doing this on your own with no money for it you could wait a year and id be stoked lol

[snailD]

Originally Posted by Thatonefriend1 Dont worry about it man. Youre doing this on your own with no money for it you could wait a year and id be stoked lol

I have two of them posted

[Thatonefriend1]

Woot! Thanks man my roommate has an 08 its cool you posted that too ill get him to try it out!

[blake0521]

Just flashed the Snail HA stage 2 map and it kicks ass! Before I was at about 18 to 18.5 psi peak boost on the cobb stage 3 map and now I am holding 18.5 to 19 psi and getting up to 20 psi. On top of the higher boost, first gear has alot more usable power which makes driving the car and launching the car much easier. The power band is alot smoother and the car has way more power. The best part is I have next to no knock once my car got use to the map. With the regular cobb stage 3 map I always had knock of 1 but now I never break .6 This map really brings the car alive! If David can do this much with a cookie cutter OTS map I can't imagine what he would do with a full tune. For sure recommend these maps and Davids tunes. Thanks for hooking everyone up with free ots plus tune. Your the man! My car runs smoother, pulls harder and is even more fun to drive now.

Disclaimer: v dyno attached was my first crack at using the program so I think I did it wrong. My cobb ap v dyno measured 292 so the power is close.

[snailD]

Originally Posted by blake0521 Just flashed the Snail HA stage 2 map and it kicks ass! Before I was at about 18 to 18.5 psi peak boost on the cobb stage 3 map and now I am holding 18.5 to 19 psi and getting up to 20 psi. On top of the higher boost, first gear has alot more usable power which makes driving the car and launching the car much easier. The power band is alot smoother and the car has way more power. The best part is I have next to no knock once my car got use to the map. With the regular cobb stage 3 map I always had knock of 1 but now I never break .6 This map really brings the car alive! If David can do this much with a cookie cutter OTS map I can't imagine what he would do with a full tune. For sure recommend these maps and Davids tunes. Thanks for hooking everyone up with free ots plus tune. Your the man! My car runs smoother, pulls harder and is even more fun to drive now. Disclaimer: v dyno attached was my first crack at using the program so I think I did it wrong. My cobb ap v dyno measured 292 so the power is close.

that boost and afr curve doee

thanks for the update

[blake0521]

Is that a good or bad thing? hahaha Heres the log if you want to make a v dyno that is actually correct. had two ppl in the car so I put 310 for total weight of people in car. Temp was 58ish ambient according to my car but my temp sensor is jacked since I forgot to relocate it after my fmic install... The only thing that looked shitty was my fuel pressure dipped below 1600 psi a few times. Might be time for new internals soon maybe.

[shamie]

So no '09 love?

[snailD]

09s will be next...

anyways @blake0521; i re-did your vd for you. it was very cold out, mid 40s it looked and i limited loads to 2.0 in the map. if you look the map kept you from going over 2.0, that boost will drop down a little as it heats up

[white beast]

love this map much better then the cobb ots stage 2. would highly recommend david Snail tune. Can't what to get my full tune! Thank for all the hard work david

[snailD]

keep in mind, the cobb maps aren't bad, they just aren't good at altitude. so i just want to reiterate that these maps are only for high altitude applications, use the cobb ots maps when you are under 3000ft above sea level.

[yukaia]

Ooh nice, trying this tune out.

[snailD]

Originally Posted by yukaia Ooh nice, trying this tune out.

yours is probably better still but let me know how it works out

[Thatonefriend1]

My car really does feel different I wasnt sure if it would be noticeable at all since i had already followed your guide for the throttle response deal but She feels more alive now! Thanks man!

[M-Speed-4]

i got a stage 2 snaild ots map and talk about POWER!!!

coming from the cobb stage 2 ots this map opens up the 2.3. 1st gear is wicked fun and if your not light on that pedal your boostin and gone!! overall great power throughout all gears. cant wait to get fully tuned by snailD.

[Myspeeed3]

Hi I was wondering if you have a map for an 07 speed. I've heard good things about snailD tunes and I wanted to try it out. The stage 1 I use from Cobb it's only allowing me to hit 14psi.

[shamie]

If you can't read the OPs you shouldn't tune.

[M.Kyle]

Hey Dave, it's Kyle from up north with Tony.

I tried out the "MS6 SNAIL HA OTS STAGE 2 CS" you posted. Thanks a lot for helping me out with this, when I was self-tuning I was thinking the timing was too high as well because I was getting some knock even at basically stock values. My BATs being roughly 150-170 doesn't help of course but I'm still hopeful that this should do well. Too bad I wasn't able to try it out earlier in the summer.

After a couple days, I got some knock during a quick WOT pull on the freeway and let off because it hit 2+ kr. I looked at the LTFTs and saw they were at about 2%, 6% and about 12% the further I got up in the learning brackets. I thought this was weird, but at the same time I figured they wouldn't be perfect. I just pasted my old maf cal to it and am going to look again on another warmer day.
Mods are CS TIP/SRI, M2 DP, step colder plugs at 0.028", HPFP.

Other than that and me not liking the less sensitive throttle, the tune is great. Thank you again.

[snailD]

Originally Posted by M.Kyle Hey Dave, it's Kyle from up north with Tony. I tried out the "MS6 SNAIL HA OTS STAGE 2 CS" you posted. Thanks a lot for helping me out with this, when I was self-tuning I was thinking the timing was too high as well because I was getting some knock even at basically stock values. My BATs being roughly 150-170 doesn't help of course but I'm still hopeful that this should do well. Too bad I wasn't able to try it out earlier in the summer. After a couple days, I got some knock during a quick WOT pull on the freeway and let off because it hit 2+ kr. I looked at the LTFTs and saw they were at about 2%, 6% and about 12% the further I got up in the learning brackets. I thought this was weird, but at the same time I figured they wouldn't be perfect. I just pasted my old maf cal to it and am going to look again on another warmer day. Mods are CS TIP/SRI, M2 DP, step colder plugs at 0.028", HPFP. Other than that and me not liking the less sensitive throttle, the tune is great. Thank you again.

every car is different, the maf cal can adjust itself to hit targets up to 25%. having the trims get worse as airflow goes up looks more like a leak to me however. with more velocity it is more likely to lose or gain air. were the trims negative or positive? keep in mind changing the maf values will change the load values which can change the tune. Bats that high really need to be figured out. its relatively cool out now so they should be under 100. take off your weather stripping if you havent already, make sure u have an undertray, do the coolant bypass mod and make sure your under hood ducting is there and not broken/messed up

[M.Kyle]

Hmm, yeah I haven't ever checked for leaks, and we have had the IC off a few times lol..
Positive trims in vacuum to back up your case.

Yeah, hood cowl weather stripping gone, coolant bypass done (which helped), TMIC ducting good, but I don't have the under tray ducting, will that make a big difference in bats? I thought that duct was more for radiator airflow?

Thanks for your input!

[snailD]

it's design also sucks air out of the back of the engine bay so it doesn't stay trapped and heatsoak everything in the engine bay. it's a pretty key part to overall cooling

[M.Kyle]

Gotcha! I'll look into getting a new one, thanks.
I have been dumbfounded At how hit it gets in its stick form for us. Makes sense now

[leo766]

yea snailD I will def have to check your maps out, my trims arent ALL over, but they are like 10% ish sometimes, anyways trying to replace my trans seals and trans mount bushing and rear endlinks and then I will prolly install the AP again onto the car, just want it running well before I start fucking with it , but I will def give you as much feeback as possible, I have nothing to do but document things