BIG TURBO!

[SSinstaller]

What is this wall you speak of? I have never heard of it...

[BUNGEEZZ]

Doing some logs tonight and will forward to Anthony and you guys and let me know what you guys think.. remember this is without any tune what so ever.. be back shortly

[DSIT995]

I think u should give EFI a try, if it doesnt work out as well as u'd like, U can always switch to the SB+flashes.......
U from CT?

[Flightmedic]

I think you will be in good hands at efi. Chris comes highly recommended by Christian at Cobb. He worked with christian early on when the AP was made available to us and he is a great tuner. Once I get all my parts bolted on I will be making the drive to CT to let efi tune my car also.

[www.cp-e.com]

I love you guys haha.

Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com so why didnt anthony make power at akuma with john? why did he break even in a race with a rebuilt k04 and a stock intercooler tuned with no flashes when anthony was running a 3076 and a 500$ protune? This isn't meant to come off mean...but I don't understand why you are influencing people to spend so much money and not make efficient power. Then the burden of buying a tuning solution that works feels that much more expensive. I honestly mean it to help. You Jersey guys that met me know that my intentions are seriously good. I just get frustrated and it may come off mean. I just got done talking to Gerry. He told me I could quote him. Gerry said that John from Akuma admitted the AP was an incomplete tuning solution for this platform. Save that 500$ and use it towards a tuning solution that will unlock your goals with this car.

You got me all wrong jake. I said if your going to tune with the AP. and i mean only the AP. at least go to the best AP tuner. Of corse the ap cant do shit compared to cpe. I know the ap cant do what it needs. I was just simply saying if you getting AP tune john is the guy.

[www.cp-e.com]

Bri - you know i like you. Your a sexy man bear pig. I just meant that i feel bad because its going to cost a couple hundred to get subpar results. I guess I don't understand how someone can charge so much knowing it can't do what the person is paying hoping it will do.

i have just spent so much time and money and im honestly happy with what i have for now. Like i said when i get a built motor ill be at your door but whats the point of selling my cobb stuff just so i can try and go for the same power. too me its not logical right now. I wanna enjoy my shit for a while. I only have like 2000 miles on this setup.
and yes 500 for a tune is an absolute rip off. But thats the going rate and when i got my tune the stand back was just ehh last year. no one really had any results. Had i started my build this year i would have never used the ap. Id much rather support cpe especially cause they are full of good guys and our local awesomeness. and jake you are awesome too. u have my heart remember

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 320awhp

i'd say more on the lines of 350 awhp....lets see

Originally Posted by 18psiWhiteMS3 380 whp at 18 psi on the ap here and according to my logs im not even at a wall yet at 20

you fuckin tell em brian =)

i love u all


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Sebb, you are stock block and NO 1 wants you to blow.
you have an AP right now and if money is an issue then do what you gonna do.

If you are willing to take a chance sell the AP for 500 to 550 and instead of paying 500 for an AP tune you will have that 1000 bills to get yourself a SB and some flashes and make better power.

I'm taking pics of my CAI tonight and posting it tonight. I hope I can get you the loot soon so I can help you out.

I'll see you tomorrow. CAN'T FUCKIN WAIT TO DRIVE/BE TAKEN FOR A DRIVE INTHIS THING BRO.

see ya tomorrow

Originally Posted by NJSPEED3 Brian if you had the proper tuning solution you're block would have a pritty lil window on it' side! Im not saying you're car or anyone's bt/ap setup i crap. We're simply pointing out that there is no way possible an apt or t3 3076r should read the numbers you and others have posted on here. Perfect example is Socks. It too bad we havent had an ap guy convert to the sb with a bt, this would really raise eyebrows. Im my case i was basically fully bolted except for a fmic and meth with a pro ap tune. Anyone with an intake,inlet,dp would easily keep up with me. After Cpe 15 minute st tune and no flashes my car was keeping up with t3 3076r on a heatsoaked topmount. You really wana pay $500 for those results!! Good luck with that. Brian next week we need to get the 2 cars together and have billy take some race videos so we can put this to rest!! he a refence to what was mentioned above...... http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...aterxes-51755/

lets just race one on one so we both have one person. or i can get my Gf from collage tomorrow night and meet up?? i kinda prefer to race during the day were there is good visibility but its up to u.
The races will only take a few seconds since 40-120 is only 10 - 11 seconds and 40-140 is 15 -16 seconds. go out and time ur logs. that should tell u. thats not guestemates thats recorded in logs

[Dano]

after MUCH frustration...and hitting a load cap with just my mods....i now like my AP and tune...it is an ugly hack but it works.

Some ECUs don't appear to hit said cap but even if they don't, there is still a wall beyond that.

OP get a SB + Flashes and save yourself alot of money and frustration.

[RayRayBauder]

Originally Posted by 18psiWhiteMS3 lets just race one on one so we both have one person. or i can get my Gf from collage tomorrow night and meet up?? i kinda prefer to race during the day were there is good visibility but its up to u. The races will only take a few seconds since 40-120 is only 10 - 11 seconds and 40-140 is 15 -16 seconds. go out and time ur logs. that should tell u. thats not guestemates thats recorded in logs

ill do some 40-140 logs in the rain and beat the both of you.

Originally Posted by RayRayBauder ill do some 40-140 logs in the rain and beat the both of you.

I bet you cant even beat them times in the rain. you better hope a ice storm comes

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by 18psiWhiteMS3 lets just race one on one so we both have one person. or i can get my Gf from collage tomorrow night and meet up?? i kinda prefer to race during the day were there is good visibility but its up to u. The races will only take a few seconds since 40-120 is only 10 - 11 seconds and 40-140 is 15 -16 seconds. go out and time ur logs. that should tell u. thats not guestemates thats recorded in logs

Did anyone hear that? I think Brian's balls just dropped and broke the floor tile

[RayRayBauder]

Originally Posted by 18psiWhiteMS3 I bet you cant even beat them times in the rain. you better hope a ice storm comes

lol, you need to experience a florida rain storm man.

and we should make it a bet, you win i give you my car and a blowjob, i win i get your car. lol.

[08cosmic3]

I would not count Cobb out just yet. There are rumors they may come out with more soon. I have never dynoed my car but I ran 13.3 @ 107 on stock size street tires a few weeks ago. I have no traction in 1st or 2nd now, more HP is going to do what? If you're wanting bragging rights to the most HP then you're driving the wrong car.

[BUNGEEZZ]

The data logs have been made, i email'd em to anthony, i would put them up here, but i have no cluee howw

[superskaterxes]

heres his logs chopped and with a graph. they look ridiculously good and his throttle is actually open 78% which is the highest ive ever seen. this was only his first map REV. ill send u another map and some directions in the morning bro.

[www.cp-e.com]

Originally Posted by 08cosmic3 I would not count Cobb out just yet. There are rumors they may come out with more soon. I have never dynoed my car but I ran 13.3 @ 107 on stock size street tires a few weeks ago. I have no traction in 1st or 2nd now, more HP is going to do what? If you're wanting bragging rights to the most HP then you're driving the wrong car.

Not sure how this is relevant. I can make a 500whp car have traction in 1st and 2nd if I wanted to. Having control of how boost comes in and boost in general helps alot. Congrats on the 13.3 @ 107...we are looking more towards 11.9 on pump gas no meth.

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com Not sure how this is relevant. I can make a 500whp car have traction in 1st and 2nd if I wanted to. Having control of how boost comes in and boost in general helps alot. Congrats on the 13.3 @ 107...we are looking more towards 11.9 on pump gas no meth.

lol 11.9? for who? any BT ms6 that comes to you with at minimum my turbo or a 35 should be doing mid 11.s no problem.

[BUNGEEZZ]

LETS MAKE SOME MOVESS!!!!

[www.cp-e.com]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes lol 11.9? for who? any BT ms6 that comes to you with at minimum my turbo or a 35 should be doing mid 11.s no problem.

The ATP turbos will struggle to make great numbers (although they will make tons mid range) because of the size of the turbine housing! This is why I NEVER recommend buying a an ATP speed flanged turbo. The .5x back housing just chokes up top. They will make decent power but not comparable to their t3 .82 counter parts.

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com The ATP turbos will struggle to make great numbers (although they will make tons mid range) because of the size of the turbine housing! This is why I NEVER recommend buying a an ATP speed flanged turbo. The .5x back housing just chokes up top. They will make decent power but not comparable to their t3 .82 counter parts.

with that said, IMO it is best to get yourself an ATP speed flanged turbo if you are on stock block.

[djuosnteisn]

Actually a better strategy would be to get a turbo that breathes well in the higher rpms, and then run lower boost in the lower rpms (or take advantage of longer spool times).

For a motor with weak rods (ours), you want to minimize large torque spikes in the lower rpms, and instead focus on maintaining that torque on through the higher rpms.

e.g. instead of seeing 375 ftlb of torque at 3500 rpm and 275 ftlb at redline, maybe go with a larger turbine that feeds your 340 ftlb at 3500 and 325 ftlb at redline.

[Dano]

Along those lines, I was thinking about getting a new turbo and am trying to decide what to get. I am NOT going for big power, just having a faster and safer car on a stock block.

I don’t need spool at 2500 RPMs as with the K04, we already have torque. I currently have my TRLs dialed waaaay back below 3.5k
I need mid to upper RPM power.
When you shift you stay between 4500-6+ RPM, entering each successive gear round 4500. That’s where I want the sweet spot on my turbo to live. I do want earlier spool than that for mid gear throttle mashing at lower RPMs but you get the idea, right?

So with that said, is something like a 2871 the ticket or go with something bigger like a 3071? I don’t know chit about reading efficiency islands on a turbo graph so can someone educate me?

P.S. I want to keep my AP if possible hahahahahaha. So don’t suggest a turbo that needs too much more fuel LOL!

[SlobaltSS]

Get a GT2871. Makes good power and will spool faster than that GT3076, but try to get ball bearing(you CAN get a custom Garret turbo made, it'll just cost more $$$)

[SpeedSixxx]

yo Sebb, I left my phone at home, don't have your #

where we meeting tonight?

[djuosnteisn]

Problem with going bt on our platform is if you decide to get a drop in replacement (atp), your more than likely gonna have boost creep issues, so you need to weld the IWG shut and go EWG.

And if indeed you opt for a different turbine housing, your looking at a mostly custom manifold an down pipe.

It all adds up quickly lol. But IMO it's the right thing to do.

[Dano]

Originally Posted by SlobaltSS Get a GT2871. Makes good power and will spool faster than that GT3076, but try to get ball bearing(you CAN get a custom Garret turbo made, it'll just cost more $$$)

do you know the RPM spool dif between the K04 and the 28? Is it like 300 RPM later?

I suppose that is somewhat adjustable with timing changes to increase EGT, but is that ball park?

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn Problem with going bt on our platform is if you decide to get a drop in replacement (atp), your more than likely gonna have boost creep issues, so you need to weld the IWG shut and go EWG. And if indeed you opt for a different turbine housing, your looking at a mostly custom manifold an down pipe. It all adds up quickly lol. But IMO it's the right thing to do.

Thought ATP ported the exhaust housing and WG since the gen 1 models?

DJ you know I hate EWG VTA hahahaha

[SlobaltSS]

It should be fully spooled by less than 3500, but unlike the K04, it'll make amazing power till redline. I'm not sure when you hit full boost however.

[djuosnteisn]

Oh, maybe they do port them now. I remember looking at mine, and there really wasn't all that much room to port it as much as i wanted. Flow was horrible:

[Dano]

is that your 3076? Even if they are not ported enough for the 3076 maybe they are for a 2871 due to its smaller size?? IDK

Anyone out there running any of the newer ATPs without creep?

[djuosnteisn]

Thats my 3071.

The 2871 has an even smaller turbine size, so it would require even more exhaust flow out the wastegate in order to control boost i would think.

For the porting to be effective, you want to increase the turbine A/R, or clip the turbine fan a bit.

I'm not 100% sure. Someone can buy me a bunch of turbos to try out though

[Dano]

tx for bursting my bubble!

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by Dano2010 tx for bursting my bubble!

don't be too upset my bubble was bursted after finding out that jerkin it into my gas tank didnt gain me 20 whp... =(

[djuosnteisn]

wtf????

[mason]

so if the op. was to get a standback. can he just take it to any tuner to get pro tuned???

[23 marine]

Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com I love you guys haha.

If the standback is so great, why isnt a video of CPE speed3 making some big power.
So far ( sad to say) RR has been the only one making big power and fast times....

[SSinstaller]

Originally Posted by 23 marine If the standback is so great, why isnt a video of CPE speed3 making some big power. So far ( sad to say) RR has been the only one making big power and fast times....

WOW! Post of the year!

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by 23 marine If the standback is so great, why isnt a video of CPE speed3 making some big power. So far ( sad to say) RR has been the only one making big power and fast times....

you sound as gay as you look..that comment just made you MSF faggot of the month.

I bet you have the tatoo "don't ask, don't tell" above ur ass crack..LOL