Code Monkey goes EWG

[Code Monkey]

I thoroughly enjoyed my BNR at the track, but after going completely catless the turbo turned into boost creep central. Still ok for the street but bad for road racing. To solve the problem once and for all, I decided to go EWG so here we go:

-- GTX3071R with Tial MV-S
-- RapeBuilt EM, coated with a 3000 F titanium coating by Polymer Dynamics of Houston
-- SURE Full3 Aeros ID325 GT -- already had a Full3 Aeros ID300 so I only ordered a 3" Bigmouth with a 4" inlet, however SURE mistakenly sent me a 3.25" Bigmouth so I said fuck it and upgraded to a 3.25" MAF, still waiting for the MAF, the customer service is like pulling teeth
-- upgrade to AP v3
-- yet another freektune, I think this is my 5th

Thanks to @EdgeAutosport.com; for a just-jizzed-in-my-pants deal on the AP and turbo kit!

I am still on stock block so obviously the GTX will not be maxed out; the goal is to keep the engine happy at the track -- no boost creep and lower BATs -- I hit 203 F last track day, ouch! Will probably keep it arond 320 whp and tq, nothing too crazy.

Other relevant mods that I already have on the car are:

-- HPFP, injector seals and studs
-- 3" catless DP and single-exit CBE
-- PnP TB & IM
-- 3.5" TMIC, 3-bar MAP, EBCS

On Monday I will drop off the dump pipe and turbo hotside at Polymer Dynamics for coating and will start the install once I get them back.

@aggierandy; @EyeKon; @Manuel; @S-hendrix;

Edit: Got tired of not hearing from SURE so went with the 3.5" JBR intake.

[aggierandy]

Looking forward to the install!

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[S-hendrix]

Whoop whoop cant wait!

[cnote308]

Awesome!! It's nice to see someone who is modding/upgrading not just to make ungodly HP/TQ numbers for one pull on a dyno; that's cool and all, but many of those cars wouldn't make it more than 5 minutes on the track without blowing up. Well done and good luck with everything.

[Jansi]

Very nice... I got the same turbo/EM setup and cannot be happier. I wish I would of coated the EM and the Hot side. I want to take the car to a track so bad but I need to invest in some heat management (Coat EM, maybe hot side, and wrap DP).

[Code Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jansi Very nice... I got the same turbo/EM setup and cannot be happier. I wish I would of coated the EM and the Hot side. I want to take the car to a track so bad but I need to invest in some heat management (Coat EM, maybe hot side, and wrap DP).

How are you supporting the turbo? I think I have seen someone modifying/hacking the stock turbo bracket -- of course it will not bolt to the GTX but maybe it just touches the bottom to give a bit of extra support.

I will also have the dump pipe ceramic coated, but the downpipe will be left uncoated -- it is stainless steel and catless so it should not heat up much.

[Jansi]

Originally Posted by Code Monkey How are you supporting the turbo? I think I have seen someone modifying/hacking the stock turbo bracket -- of course it will not bolt to the GTX but maybe it just touches the bottom to give a bit of extra support. I will also have the dump pipe ceramic coated, but the downpipe will be left uncoated -- it is stainless steel and catless so it should not heat up much.

The turbo is supported just by the EM and DP. I got around 1K miles since putting in the kit and no problems. I wanted to modify the bracket but having the EWG come off the bottom of the hot side makes it almost impossible to utilize it. Really, there is no way to do it with the bracket unless you really put some thought and creativity to make it work. I figured since the EM isn't coated and if it develops a crack or pin hole I can weld it back up but if it becomes a major issue I would probably go with a cast mani which is a lot stronger than a tubular design.

There's always a Con with every Pro. :/


One more thing, make sure your DP comes straight down. It's hard to explain, I had ebay Dp and it would not fit with the EWG down there so we had to get creative and design our own Dp.

RIP K04, Hello GTX3071r

Ref post #49 for pics

[Code Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jansi I figured since the EM isn't coated and if it develops a crack or pin hole I can weld it back up but if it becomes a major issue I would probably go with a cast mani

That's what I was thinking. I did not go with the cp-e EM because I heard it was a bitch to install on the MS3 and almost impossible on the MS6 + those installs were on IWG turbos.

Originally Posted by Jansi One more thing, make sure your DP comes straight down. It's hard to explain, I had ebay Dp and it would not fit with the EWG down there so we had to get creative and design our own Dp.

Lol, I was just reading through this yesterday. Right now I have the cp-e DP, we will see....

[Jansi]

Originally Posted by Code Monkey That's what I was thinking. I did not go with the cp-e EM because I heard it was a bitch to install on the MS3 and almost impossible on the MS6 + those installs were on IWG turbos. Lol, I was just reading through this yesterday. Right now I have the cp-e DP, we will see....

Not really sure how the 6 is set up but taking the two bolt's out of the passenger mount and pulling the engine fwd gave me a lot of space to work in the back (easier to put the Mani in too)

[mtosofsky]

One more thing, make sure your DP comes straight down. It's hard to explain, I had ebay Dp and it would not fit with the EWG down there so we had to get creative and design our own Dp.

This is what im worried about when i order my kit soon. I know a genpu guy thats local to me that has this kit and an ebay downpipe and he didnt have an issue with it fitting. Im debating on just ordering the atp downpipe along with it to avoid the headache since i wont know till install day.

[Code Monkey]

Dump pipe and turbo hotside dropped off, will be ready for pickup Friday! I have the dump pipe coated inside and out and the hotside coated outside only.

[DamagedGoods]

I do like a 6 owner who uses his car for the track, and pushes the platform. Are you concerned about boost response moving to a 30 series turbo?

What's going to happen to the Beaner?

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[killer-ms3]

You should send the hotside to @xxdjfate76xx; so he can port the hotside of the turbo.

He ceramic coats as well but from my brief skimming you're already being taken care of for that

[Code Monkey]

Originally Posted by DamagedGoods I do like a 6 owner who uses his car for the track, and pushes the platform. Are you concerned about boost response moving to a 30 series turbo?

I think being a GTX, the turbo will spool fine. I almost never drop below 4000 rpms during track sessions anyway and from what I have read, the between the shift recovery is phenomenal.

Originally Posted by DamagedGoods What's going to happen to the Beaner?

Going into good hands.

Originally Posted by killer-ms3 You should send the hotside to @xxdjfate76xx; so he can port the hotside of the turbo

I noticed that some guys here had their EWG ported, I will see how my turbo behaves and go from there.

[captain slow]

Slick setup. Interested to see how the EWG hotside works for you (someone who actually uses the car under racing conditions). I heard some people have creep issues, some don't.

[duappleganger]

Originally Posted by captain slow Slick setup. Interested to see how the EWG hotside works for you (someone who actually uses the car under racing conditions). I heard some people have creep issues, some don't.

Creep issues even with an EWG hotside? Who was having those issues? Only reason I ask is I just bought the EWG hotside because I was having creeping issues with my IWG. If I end up having creep even with the EWG I'll just about shit a brick.

[Code Monkey]

Originally Posted by duappleganger Creep issues even with an EWG hotside? Who was having those issues? Only reason I ask is I just bought the EWG hotside because I was having creeping issues with my IWG. If I end up having creep even with the EWG I'll just about shit a brick.

It crept a bit on someone but only to like 18psi so if you target over that, boost creep should not be an issue, I am sure @atvfreek; or @Lex; can chime in.

[duappleganger]

Originally Posted by Code Monkey It crept a bit on someone but only to like 18psi so if you target over that, boost creep should not be an issue, I am sure @atvfreek; or @Lex; can chime in.

Ah ok, I won't be running insane boost but my vag isn't quite so gaping as to only run 18psi on an EWG BT.

[atvfreek]

Originally Posted by captain slow Slick setup. Interested to see how the EWG hotside works for you (someone who actually uses the car under racing conditions). I heard some people have creep issues, some don't.

I've tuned quite a few people with the EWG hotside and boost has been very controllable with no creep.

Now some cars do get more boost then what the spring is technically setup for, but it is usually a solid boost curve. ie they have a 14psi spring but see 16 or 17psi.

[cletusb]

Originally Posted by atvfreek I've tuned quite a few people with the EWG hotside and boost has been very controllable with no creep. Now some cars do get more boost then what the spring is technically setup for, but it is usually a solid boost curve. ie they have a 14psi spring but see 16 or 17psi.

Is this due to the waste gate being on the housing?
I remember reading somewhere that it is better to have it on the exhaust manifold from an exhaust gas flow perspective

[atvfreek]

Originally Posted by cletusb Is this due to the waste gate being on the housing? I remember reading somewhere that it is better to have it on the exhaust manifold from an exhaust gas flow perspective

Yes location and angle of the wastegate can change what actual spring pressure would be.

[captain slow]

Originally Posted by atvfreek I've tuned quite a few people with the EWG hotside and boost has been very controllable with no creep. Now some cars do get more boost then what the spring is technically setup for, but it is usually a solid boost curve. ie they have a 14psi spring but see 16 or 17psi.

Well that settles that. Lol. I don't remember where I was reading it but I'd trust your response. Carry on.

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[killer-ms3]

the gtx series comes anti-surge ported already. What I meant was port the hot side so you get better airflow which means quicker spool.

I have a gtx3071 atp kit no creep at all

[mtosofsky]

@Jansi; Do you know of anyone else who has had the same issue you had with the downpipe? I know a local gen2 guy didnt have an issue with his ebay downpipe. I'm assuming there are small deviations amongst the ebay downpipes that cause fitment differentiations.

[Jansi]

Originally Posted by mtosofsky @Jansi; Do you know of anyone else who has had the same issue you had with the downpipe? I know a local gen2 guy didnt have an issue with his ebay downpipe. I'm assuming there are small deviations amongst the ebay downpipes that cause fitment differentiations.

Yea there are different variants of the ebay pipe. I guess I got the one that gave me troubles because of the bend coming off the hotside.

*edit*** I don't really know many people that have this setup. Hell, many still don't know this shit exists!

Teh Fast Station Wagon

[mtosofsky]

Yea there are different variants of the ebay pipe. I guess I got the one that gave me troubles because of the bend coming off the hotside.

As soon as i saw your thread i went to my car and looked at the bend on mine and it looks so close even to the ko4, i have my doubts but ive been told ill be okay so who knows. Do you remember if yours was just "Ebay" or did it have some cheapy name. Mine is the m2.

Sorry OP, dont mean to thread jack or anything.

[Jansi]

Originally Posted by mtosofsky As soon as i saw your thread i went to my car and looked at the bend on mine and it looks so close even to the ko4, i have my doubts but ive been told ill be okay so who knows. Do you remember if yours was just "Ebay" or did it have some cheapy name. Mine is the m2. Sorry OP, dont mean to thread jack or anything.

It said M2, after the whole ordeal I went on ebay and found the different variants. :/ smh


Teh Fast Station Wagon

[Code Monkey]

Have not heard from SURE for over a week so went with the JBR 3.5" intake.

[08cosmic3]

I'm getting a BNR3 in the spring and din't know the BNR had creep issues. Anyone else have this problem?

[Code Monkey]

Originally Posted by 08cosmic3 I'm getting a BNR3 in the spring and din't know the BNR had creep issues. Anyone else have this problem?

This is only a problem when you run completely catless, when I had a hi-flow cat I had zero boost creep issues.

[08cosmic3]

I'll be cattless. :-(

[mtosofsky]

@Jansi; im going to pm you so i don't clog up this thread lol. I sent it but my phone is being weird so idk if it went through.

[Code Monkey]

Just posting an EWG diagram routing from here so I have an easy reference. I will be running 3/16" silicone hoses.

PolyDyn called and the hotside and pipes are done, @EyeKon; is picking them up on his way this Friday, at which point install will commence.

[killer-ms3]

@Sid3wayS; is running a bnrs3 with an atp catless full dp with no creep issues at all
@Code Monkey; if you can use the wg off the ex mani DO IT. Ask @Sid3wayS; how fun it is to take off the wastegate off the atp housing if you need to.

[Code Monkey]

Originally Posted by killer-ms3 @Sid3wayS; is running a bnrs3 with an atp catless full dp with no creep issues at all @Code Monkey; if you can use the wg off the ex mani DO IT. Ask @Sid3wayS; how fun it is to take off the wastegate off the atp housing if you need to.

I know it will be a pain in the ass to reach the WG once everything is bolted up, but at this point I have no funds to buy a whole new EWG setup.

[aggierandy]

Originally Posted by killer-ms3 @Sid3wayS; is running a bnrs3 with an atp catless full dp with no creep issues at all @Code Monkey; if you can use the wg off the ex mani DO IT. Ask @Sid3wayS; how fun it is to take off the wastegate off the atp housing if you need to.

Part of the situation is probably that @Code Monkey; wants to run LOWER boost because it is for the track and he's pretty rough on the car. He could increase his boost and probably control the creep better but he'd be worried about grenading at the track.

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[Code Monkey]

Yeah, will probably run 19-20 psi max. It would be great to raise the redline to 7k because there are 2 places where I run out of gear and an extra 5mph or so would help, we will see what freek says.

[aggierandy]

Originally Posted by Code Monkey Yeah, will probably run 19-20 psi max. It would be great to raise the redline to 7k because there are 2 places where I run out of gear and and extra 5mph or so would help, we will see what freek says.

Haven't read much on that. Have others done it?

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[Code Monkey]

Originally Posted by aggierandy Haven't read much on that. Have others done it?

I am still researching the topic. I think @phate; was revving to 7k for autox on stock head? Our valvetrain is actually pretty good, it is the bottom end that is the weak point.

[phate]

Originally Posted by Code Monkey I am still researching the topic. I think @phate; was revving to 7k for autox on stock head? Our valvetrain is actually pretty good, it is the bottom end that is the weak point.

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