Swedish BT-Build (3071R)

[mayer]

Hi guys!

Just thought I'd start a thread about my BT-Build. Well it's just another 3071R IWG-build but a good place for me to ask questions that will come up during the build. I'm sure there will be plenty.
The knowledge on MS3/MS6 in Sweden is well, a bit narrow so to speak. I think there are about 2-3 bt-builds in sweden that I know of. So a thread here will be needed I guess

Well, the current mods on my car are these:
Simons Cat-back and race-pipe (swedish brand)
UR catted Downpipe
Forge BPV
AEM Dryflow SRI
TZR Dogbone RMM
Hypertech
CP-E TMIC
Denso Iridium ITV22
JBR Short Shift Plate
JBR Heavy Shift Knob
COBB STS
JBR RSB
KW Variant 3 coilovers
OZ Ultraleggera 8x17" with Toyo Proxxes R888 235/45R17
Hawk HPS Front pads
Motul RBF 600 brake fluid

This was ordered a week or two ago from @JP@edgeautosport.com:
ATP GT3071R IWG (will be ported)
Steedspeed mani
CP-E FMIC
CP-E safeseals

I also have a CP-E 4" inlet pipe and autotech internals at home. Will also add a MBC.

The plan is to tune with EcuTek. My goal is set at 350whp. That's as far as my trust goes to the ecutek-tuners in Sweden...


This is the car at the moment:










Thanks in advance for all the questions being answered in the future
// Mayer


tl;dr: Another 3071R IWG-build, meh.

[martin_nj]

sounds good, sucks that your tuners aren't so trustworthy - i'd expect 400whp from that setup

[Mazdanspeed3]

GL on your build, will be watching.

[RyansSpd3]

Nice cant wait to see the numbers...and btw sexy speeed very clean

[mayer]

Originally Posted by martin_nj sounds good, sucks that your tuners aren't so trustworthy - i'd expect 400whp from that setup

Yeah I know, kind of sucks. There are two tuners in Sweden with the Ecutek-software. So the options aren't to many.
Since I have to go to my friends or parents place whenever I want to work on the car, because I don't have a proper garage, this will really be focused on getting a safe tune rather than maxing the turbo to it's limits.

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Jonatan, good to actually see your car after all those conversations. It's real clean, I like it. Thanks for everything and we'll be paying attention to your build as well.

[mayer]

Stuff arrived from @JP@edgeautosport.com today!

I'm changing my mind about the tuning part, instead of going with Ecutek I'm hoping that versatune will release their final tuning tool for the MS3 soon. If they do that I could have a possibility to get tuned by someone of you guys that knows what you're doing. Damn I would look really good in a PERM...

[mrdouble99]

Why don't you get a USDM ECU and use an AP ?

[Broxer]

Good luck with the build. Interested to see how everything works out.

[mayer]

Originally Posted by mrdouble99 Why don't you get a USDM ECU and use an AP ?

Because no one knows exactly how it will work with our car. It has been done with a Mexican car but never with a Swedish. Or European either for that matter. At least not that I know of.
For example we have KPH instead of MPH speedometer, and that may be a problem. I would love to try but the risk of it not working or needing me to change the whole car to a US is a problem...
If anyone knows more about this feel free to discuss here. I would love to be able to use the AP.

[Matrix311]

Love the car and your wheels! I'll get some new wheels some day. Curious what is the device below your safe seals in the picture? The black thing.

[kmac]

Cobb is looking onto doing a European model , if the demand is high enough.

[forever_skyline]

Looking good Mayer!!!

[mayer]

Originally Posted by Matrix311 Love the car and your wheels! I'll get some new wheels some day. Curious what is the device below your safe seals in the picture? The black thing.

Thanks!
Thats a mechanical boost controller. That particular one is a hallman pro rx.

[mayer]

Originally Posted by kmac Cobb is looking onto doing a European model , if the demand is high enough.

Hmm that sounds very interesting. Do they have any news about it themselves, interest thread or anything?

[BlueStreak]

Mayer,

A friend of mine has an extra ECU that he's looking to sell. It's a Canadian based ECU. Our cars run on KPH distance/speed metering and celcius temperature measurement. I think he also has an AccessPORT available to sell.

If you want, I can put you in contact with him.

[mayer]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak Mayer, A friend of mine has an extra ECU that he's looking to sell. It's a Canadian based ECU. Our cars run on KPH distance/speed metering and celcius temperature measurement. I think he also has an AccessPORT available to sell. If you want, I can put you in contact with him.

Hmm, sounds interesting. But I think I will do some more investigating on the VersaTune before I try that. Would be great to avoid the immobolizer-reprogramming and such. A friend of mine is talking to Dustin regarding the VT and if everything works out the way I want to, I could keep my ECU, buy a VersaTuner and still get a PERM...

But many thanks Bluestreak, I will get in touch with you if I change my mind!

[mayer]

A mini christmas eve today when my mani arrived, thanks @JP@edgeautosport.com!
Basically got all my stuff now. Gaskets for the intake mani and TB are on their way from @jbarone along with a EGR block off.

I also installed the FP internals and FMIC this weekend. Going to New York on Saturday for a weeks vacation and when I come back I'm hoping to drop the turbo in withing a week.

I have been in contact with @Lex regarding a PERM using Versatune and stuff is looking promising. I have ordered the tactrix cable today.

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Looks like you have a nice little workspace to do this. Looking good so far Jonatan. Excited for results especially with tuning. Hopefully it works out well.

[mayer]

Back from NY, damn I want to live there lol.
Brought home new gaskets for both intake and exhaust as well as the Tactrix cable. Versatuner is installed and I'm in the process of getting a base tune done with the help of Lex. Still looking to install this weekend.

A stupid question regarding the MBC. How is it supposed to be connected? I know I read about it somewhere but that was with a K04 and I just want to make sure I got it figured out before the install. So I don't have to tap any new boost source holes or anything. Anyone got a good explanation to the install of my Hallman Pro RX?
@JP@edgeautosport.com maybe?

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Originally Posted by mayer Back from NY, damn I want to live there lol. Brought home new gaskets for both intake and exhaust as well as the Tactrix cable. Versatuner is installed and I'm in the process of getting a base tune done with the help of Lex. Still looking to install this weekend. A stupid question regarding the MBC. How is it supposed to be connected? I know I read about it somewhere but that was with a K04 and I just want to make sure I got it figured out before the install. So I don't have to tap any new boost source holes or anything. Anyone got a good explanation to the install of my Hallman Pro RX? @JP@edgeautosport.com maybe?

With the MBC, you need it to go to the wastegate (Mayer, in your case it's the actuator since it's IWG) and the other side needs to go to the boost source. You can tap any boost source you want like a silicone coupler or the turbo but if you don't want to create your own tap, you'll have to tap into the factory boost source coming off the manifold. You'll probably need a T style adapter for the vacuum lines so you can tap into the boost source without affecting the factory vacuum routing.

Leave the factory solenoid plugged in at the harness but just close the loop by attaching the same line from one nipple to the other so it doesn't throw a code.

Since you're working with Lex, ask him, he'll tell you too. He might give you some good pointers on how to set it up.

[Captain KR]

Very clean ms3 looks like u will be making some hp with that setup.

[Lex]

The MBC install is really very simple as was pointed out above.

The source should go to a port on the manifold. You can use a T fitting to split an already existing source. I personally like to use the manifold as the source but you can use any charge section of pipe. The nice thing about the manifold is that it's already tapped and already has ports you can attach to.

The "outlet" of the MBC attaches to the nipple on your wastegate actuator on the turbo.

Make sure the lines are secure and are not touching the exhaust components - if that line goes so does boost control and the turbo will spike without much of a saving grace (there are 10 Guardian Angels on the way ... ) but until then make sure this line is secure and not loose.

Make sure you mount the MBC somewhere secure and an easy to reach area that is away from major sources of heat - ie exhaust.

Finally, turn the MBC all the way down when doing the first runs. You want to make sure everything is connected correctly and that the turbo boost is staying close to the rated spring pressure which is the minimum boost you can run.

E-mail me for more details Jonatan if needed.

[breakfstincluded]

Damn that red looks good, hmm... IWG.... or EWG on manifold... or EWG on exhust turbine...

ATP doesn't charge to have the flange on the turbo for its kits, but I keep hearing it flows much better to have the EWG on the exhaust manifold.

[Jasper_3MPS]

Originally Posted by kmac Cobb is looking onto doing a European model , if the demand is high enough.

Who do i need to contact cause IAM IN!!!! Contact please

I wanted one since day one! and be able to get a more pricies tune and also the extra stuff that the AP has to over is interesting!


BTW nice to see that more people in europe are boosting there Mazda MPS!

350HP should be no problem even whit the BNR Stage2 iam pushing 350HP

shitty thing is that the boost would go above 1Bar on the dyno!

and on the streeds it did 1.3Bar

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Jasper_3MPS Who do i need to contact cause IAM IN!!!! Contact please I wanted one since day one! and be able to get a more pricies tune and also the extra stuff that the AP has to over is interesting! BTW nice to see that more people in europe are boosting there Mazda MPS! 350HP should be no problem even whit the BNR Stage2 iam pushing 350HP shitty thing is that the boost would go above 1Bar on the dyno! and on the streeds it did 1.3Bar

Until the AP is released, you can get VersaTune. It's quite good and if you're looking for a tune, let me know. I'm tuning Jonatan's car using VersaTune as we speak.

[mayer]

Have driven a while now and no leaks so far. The install went good, I snapped a bolt and some other minor setbacks during the install but overall I'm happy as hell. Driving around on spring pressure now but I have done some logging and everything is looking good. Asked my tuning-mom (Lex) if I could turn up the boost and got the answer I wanted. Wohoo

[chintastic]

sick build! can't wait for videos

[breakfstincluded]

niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiceeeeeeeeeeee, internally wastegated?

[mayer]

Originally Posted by breakfstincluded niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiceeeeeeeeeeee, internally wastegated?

As you can see on the pictures and read in the first post, yes

[jracer]

looks good !!

[Lex]

Lol @ tuning mom Looks good with the BT in there - soon you'll be terrorizing the Swedish streets! What kind of cars would be giving you a run for your money in your area?

[h.h.sk1nny]

Originally Posted by Lex Lol @ tuning mom Looks good with the BT in there - soon you'll be terrorizing the Swedish streets! What kind of cars would be giving you a run for your money in your area?

Hopefully not this

[mayer]

Lol yeah it's mostly koenigseggs rolling around here. We have those as DDs and mazdaspeeds as our track cars... Not.

I have actually never seen one on the streets, I have seen one once in my life and that was in Qatar...

The most usual cars to race against on the streets is maybe BMW:s (330, 335, m3), Honda civic type r, ford st, ford rs, Volvos of all kinds, 350z, Audi s3, s4, golf gti:s and a few more... :p
But there is not too often someone rolls up and wants to race, well it happens but not like every day. We have "organized" blackraces/streetraces almost every weekend during the summer though, and there it's a wide variety of cars racing.

[mayer]

Turned up the boost today to around 16 psi and damn does the car fly. I love this damn turbo.
The logs are still looking good but couldn't turn up the boost any more since my MBC was turned all the way down. It has the softer spring in it though and I didn't get the harder one in the package so I will have to try and find one.
Hard to be annoyed over that though, now that the car is so much fun
Fuck that K04!

[mayer]

A question. I started turning the MBC down yesterday and after about 5 turns the boost started increasing. It then increased gradually but at 1,1 bar (16 psi) the mbc was turned all the way down. On spring pressure the boost was 0,6 bar (8,7 psi) which seems low for spring pressure.
Now, is it my wastegate actuator rod i need to turn or do I need the harder spring for the MBC? For me it sound like the WG-actuator since the boost was so low when the MBC was closed.

What do you guys think?
Summoning @JP@edgeautosport.com

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Originally Posted by mayer A question. I started turning the MBC down yesterday and after about 5 turns the boost started increasing. It then increased gradually but at 1,1 bar (16 psi) the mbc was turned all the way down. On spring pressure the boost was 0,6 bar (8,7 psi) which seems low for spring pressure. Now, is it my wastegate actuator rod i need to turn or do I need the harder spring for the MBC? For me it sound like the WG-actuator since the boost was so low when the MBC was closed. What do you guys think? Summoning @JP@edgeautosport.com

When you say it's 8.7psi on spring pressure, how did you figure that out? What was your boost control setup when you measured that? When your MBC is turned all the way down and you get 16psi, that should be a measure of what your spring pressure is which makes more sense. 14psi is what it should be set at from ATP unless you order the 8psi spring. What are you using to measure boost?

I just checked your invoice, you ordered it with the 14psi spring.

[mayer]

Originally Posted by JP@edgeautosport.com When you say it's 8.7psi on spring pressure, how did you figure that out? What was your boost control setup when you measured that? When your MBC is turned all the way down and you get 16psi, that should be a measure of what your spring pressure is which makes more sense. 14psi is what it should be set at from ATP unless you order the 8psi spring. What are you using to measure boost? I just checked your invoice, you ordered it with the 14psi spring.

Yeah I ordered with the 14psi spring. I'm using versatune to measure boost, and it's the intake manifold absolute pressure parameter I'm reading from. That minus 14,7psi would be my boost, right? And the MBC was set all the way to the minus-sign.
Should I connect the line from the bpv now going to the MBC input directly to the WG-actuator to check that the MBC is working correctly? To bypass the MBC.

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Hmm so the Versatuner is reading 23.4 psi absolute (~14.7psia + 8.7psig)?

@eric@edgeautosport or @Lex, can you guys possibly chime in on getting his boost right or understand what reading it's taking?

[mayer]

Originally Posted by JP@edgeautosport.com Hmm so the Versatuner is reading 23.4 psi absolute (~14.7psia + 8.7psig)? @eric@edgeautosport or @Lex, can you guys possibly chime in on getting his boost right or understand what reading it's taking?

Yes that's correct, except for the fact that I use bar as measurement unit and not psi. Just converted it for your convenience