Top Mount Turbo Speed3

[JacksonMS30]

Do to me being in the right place at the right time, I came across this offer which I could not refuse. The prototype PERM Tuning Twisted Top Mount Turbo Kit for the speed 3. After deciding to go for it, @eric@edgeautosport and I drove down from Denver to Rio Rancho NM friday after work to begin wrenching on my car. The top mount kit had already been removed from the car it had been built for and the plan was to install it on my car saturday and then head back to denver on sunday.

We started taking apart my incredibly hot car friday night and finished on saturday morning. The tear down was relatively quick and painless.

Anyways, enough typing... Here are some pictures from the Gopro that was mounted in the top of the garage.


























We didn't quite get finished on saturday like we had hoped. All that was left for sunday morning was wiring in the the split second controller for the fiffy port and installing the Deatschwerks in tank fuel pump.











The car fired up with no leaks so we all piled in to do some tuning.





Due to a loose coupler our first attempt at a pull resulted in failure. The loud THWUMP of either a coupler blowing off or a rod escaping the block...

A quick check behind us to see if we are trailing oil...


Nope, so it must be a coupler.

We spend the next hour in a turn lane in the middle of the road eventually pushing it off to the side where we waited for Garage Nurse to come pick up DJ so he could go get some tools to come back and reinstall the cold pipe. Apparently we were all so excited to ride in the top mount speed 3 that we didn't bring any tools with us to combat the inevitable failure... lol!

Anyway, after getting the coldpipe back on we found even more failure when the CFM fuel tap sprung a leak at the same time as my upper radiator hose. We made it back to PERM Manor and fixed the issues with a new radiator hose and a new CFM Fuel tap (probably stolen from @burn813's fifth port injection kit). With problems solved and no time left to tune, Eric and I hit the road back to Denver being careful not to boost so we don't have an issue with any more blown couplers.

We are currently in the process of working out a couple small bugs before tuning can begin. The turbo of choice for now is the HTA3586, and Dustin's goal with the setup is to run 500whp and 375wtq. Depending on spool, I may change it out later for a GTX3076...

Everything installed and ready to exit the garage.


I will keep this thread updated as new developments arise...


PS: Thanks Eric, DJ (@djuosnteisn), and Rob (@PapaSmurf) for all the sweat and blood donated to this very quickly done swap!

[EdgeAutosport.com]

This kit is so awesome and easy to install. Makes me want to do mine all over again

[Seatime3]

Nice! In for results and feedback! How about some pics of this top mount installed to! That a 3076?
@eric@edgeautosport nice stool, the blue cooler has many uses!

[Snyeed]

Jealous of the top mount! I can't wait until it's released.

[JacksonMS30]

Originally Posted by Seatime3 Nice! In for results and feedback! How about some pics of this top mount installed to! That a 3076? @eric@edgeautosport nice stool, the blue cooler has many uses!

I'll be getting some better pictures of the fully installed setup pretty soon. The turbo is an HTA3586.

[PapaSmurf]

Good shit Alan... Was a blast helping... Now I just need a ride when this thing is tuned... Maybe a race so I can whoop that ass! Ahahah


Sent from my flying tapadildo

[JacksonMS30]

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf Good shit Alan... Was a blast helping... Now I just need a ride when this thing is tuned... Maybe a race so I can whoop that ass! Ahahah Sent from my flying tapadildo

haha! Of course a race will be in order!

[atvfreek]

I love the distress call to garage nurse. Lol. Congrats on the build man! Looks sweet.

[djuosnteisn]

/longest weekend of my life.... (well.... almost "/"....).

[Wicked]

The manifold looks very nice! Now, I come from superchargers so I have no idea what benefits a top mount manifold provides. (Gonna go do some googling) Why the low trq goal, with a 500hp target? Seems you could easily make torque more than that


EDIT: Back from Google. Seems to be for ease of getting at the turbo and to show it off but no really performance difference between bottom-mount vs top-mount. Still, the engine bay pic looks pretty sweet

[djuosnteisn]

It's a grandpa motor, with 95k miles on the clock. 375 is simply a safe way to 500 without breaking gramp's legs. Once Alan builds the bottom end, the sky is the limit....

[EdgeAutosport.com]

[JacksonMS30]

Originally Posted by Wicked The manifold looks very nice! Now, I come from superchargers so I have no idea what benefits a top mount manifold provides. (Gonna go do some googling) Why the low trq goal, with a 500hp target? Seems you could easily make torque more than that EDIT: Back from Google. Seems to be for ease of getting at the turbo and to show it off but no really performance difference between bottom-mount vs top-mount. Still, the engine bay pic looks pretty sweet

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn It's a grandpa motor, with 95k miles on the clock. 375 is simply a safe way to 500 without breaking gramp's legs. Once Alan builds the bottom end, the sky is the limit....

Also, lower torque will help with traction for my fail wheel drive...

[Seatime3]

What are your intake.temps.looking like? Any warmer vs stock location intake? What intercooler is that?

[doubleflusher]

Change your sig to reflect the awesomeness in your pants.

[JacksonMS30]

Originally Posted by Seatime3 What are your intake.temps.looking like? Any warmer vs stock location intake? What intercooler is that?

TurboXS intercooler. I'm not sure on the intake temps. Probably a little warmer though...

[djuosnteisn]

MAF sensor lives in the cold pipe now, so no easy way to measure inlet temps to the turbo without adding a probe.

[Black Metal]

Originally Posted by Seatime3 What are your intake.temps.looking like? Any warmer vs stock location intake? What intercooler is that?

I'm not sure if they are running speed density or a blow through setup. With speed density (which I assume is what they are using.) there is no need for a MAF therefore no way to monitor IAT unless you run a thermometer right next to the air filter.

Edit DJ answered before I responded. Looks like I assumed wrong LOL

[Seatime3]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn MAF sensor lives in the cold pipe now, so no easy way to measure inlet temps to the turbo without adding a probe.

Ahh gotcha, should have noticed that when looked at the pic with intake directly on Turbo. Any more challenging to tune like this? Are you guys going to 4 corners meet? I am and would like to see this! Looks sick!

[Realgib3]

If that HTA 3586 spools like, and puts down the same type of powermy 6466 is, you will 1-be really happy and 2-make 500whp with stupid. ease

[JacksonMS30]

Originally Posted by Seatime3 Ahh gotcha, should have noticed that when looked at the pic with intake directly on Turbo. Any more challenging to tune like this? Are you guys going to 4 corners meet? I am and would like to see this! Looks sick!

Yes, I will be at the 4 Corners meet. Should be tuned by then too!

[captain slow]

I like. But it kinda sucks that the intake is right over the ex mani. The other top mount setups had the turbo spun 180° like the stock snail. Any reason for the current setup?

I guess you do save money not having a full intake.

[Wicked]

Originally Posted by djuosnteisn It's a grandpa motor, with 95k miles on the clock. 375 is simply a safe way to 500 without breaking gramp's legs. Once Alan builds the bottom end, the sky is the limit....

Had a feeling it had to do with clutch. Thanks.

Hell, either way, that's more than I will have haha.

[JacksonMS30]

Originally Posted by captain slow I like. But it kinda sucks that the intake is right over the ex mani. The other top mount setups had the turbo spun 180° like the stock snail. Any reason for the current setup? I guess you do save money not having a full intake.

It has to do with fitment. There are several fitment issues when the turbo is flipped the other way.

[Dash08]

I can see it now. Noob makes a thread asking what his first mods should be.

First reply is "PERM tuning top mount turbo kit".

[doubleflusher]

Originally Posted by Wicked Had a feeling it had to do with clutch. Thanks. Hell, either way, that's more than I will have haha.

It has nothing to do with the clutch.

It has to do with the fact that it's a stock motor with 95k on the chicken leg rods.

Putting more than 375 lb/ft through them will easily ventilate the block.

[rfinkle2]

HoT with a capital H and a Capital T!

[Seatime3]

Originally Posted by JacksonMS30 It has to do with fitment. There are several fitment issues when the turbo is flipped the other way.

Are you running any Meth or will you be in the future if not now?

[JacksonMS30]

Originally Posted by Seatime3 Are you running any Meth or will you be in the future if not now?

I'm running fifth port injection and will be getting tuned for a 50/50 E85 mix. No need for meth

[Seatime3]

Originally Posted by JacksonMS30 I'm running fifth port injection and will be getting tuned for a 50/50 E85 mix. No need for meth

Im corn jealous! What size is the fifth injector?

[Wicked]

Originally Posted by doubleflusher It has nothing to do with the clutch. It has to do with the fact that it's a stock motor with 95k on the chicken leg rods. Putting more than 375 lb/ft through them will easily ventilate the block.

I know, was just saying my thought was the clutch until explained it was stock motor earlier.


Good call on the corn, that stuff is amazing. Good luck with the rest of the project @JacksonMS30!

[Black Metal]

I ran out of injector DC at 20 psi on my 4gal E mix. Once I can afford it 5th port is going in.

[Manny]

Do you have plans to make a turbo inlet? It doesn't look like there is much room for an inlet of any kind, lol. Looks tits though, hopefully we start to see more of these!

[Dano]

Originally Posted by Dash08 I can see it now. Noob makes a thread asking what his first mods should be. First reply is "PERM tuning top mount turbo kit".

hahah

that does kill all the birds at once doesn't it

I am super jelly over this setup and am interested in the final results fo sho!

[Dash08]

Originally Posted by Dano hahah that does kill all the birds at once doesn't it I am super jelly over this setup and am interested in the final results fo sho!

I just had a crazy idea.

Offer an entire package that includes the top mount kit, an AP, 3 motor mounts, and a PERM tune.

Call it "The Ultimate MS3 Bouffant Bundle".

[doubleflusher]

Originally Posted by Dash08 I just had a crazy idea. Offer an entire package that includes the top mount kit, an AP, 3 motor mounts, and a PERM tune. Call it "The Ultimate MS3 Bouffant Bundle".

Spy shot located

[AZSPEED3]

Wow is all I can say. What a sexy setup. Can't wait until DJ gets this out as a complete kit.

[PapaSmurf]

just to give everyone an idea on how long of a weekend this was.

We removed top mount kit from first car.
We removed Alans drop in 3071.
Put top mount kit on Alans car.
Stocked out speed3 that had top mount on it.

It was very very tirering ... but worth it.

[atvfreek]

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf just to give everyone an idea on how long of a weekend this was. We removed top mount kit from first car. We removed Alans drop in 3071. Put top mount kit on Alans car. Stocked out speed3 that had top mount on it. It was very very tirering ... but worth it.

That's intense! Where is said 3071 and stocked out speed3?

[EdgeAutosport.com]

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf just to give everyone an idea on how long of a weekend this was. We removed top mount kit from first car. We removed Alans drop in 3071. Put top mount kit on Alans car. Stocked out speed3 that had top mount on it. It was very very tirering ... but worth it.

You forgot to mention all the margaritas that were drank