2017 Mazdaspeed 3 Engine Rumors

[CorkSport]

At the LA Auto Show, Mazda unveiled the next CX-9 with one notable—power aspect: a turbocharged 2.5 SkyActiv motor. Naturally, we couldn’t help but speculate about what this means for the new 2017 Mazdaspeed 3. What makes this motor special is that Mazda has officially tipped its hat at a factory turbo motor, which could […]

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The question is more is there going to be really a 2017 Mazdaspeed 3

[CorkSport]

I am getting mixed messages, the aussie new channels keep saying no, I have heard otherwise, and this motor popping up says yes. The japanese new sources I look at are also still hinting that it will happen.

I expect a rotary type surprise myself, an out of the blue here it is!

-Derrick

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Originally Posted by CorkSport I am getting mixed messages, the aussie new channels keep saying no, I have heard otherwise, and this motor popping up says yes. The japanese new sources I look at are also still hinting that it will happen. I expect a rotary type surprise myself, an out of the blue here it is! -Derrick

Exactly my point. With that surprise, would that mean they decided to go away with the idea of a new speed 3. I think if they do, our platform will be strong to an extent but that RX9 is going to be big but I have a feeling it's going to be price around the Nissan GT-R

[Nevershallifall]

I don't know if I see a 2017 mazdaspeed 3 but what I do see is that now that they finally have proof of the speculated turbocharged 2.5 skyactive that we all were hoping for that now they have the means to make a 3rd gen happen. Hell even if they put it in the CX3 it would make people happy but I will keep my hopes up for the AWD 300+HP 3rd gen speed!

[blackms3_71]

Now with that 250hp. I wish mazda would up the turbo size a little to gwt to 300

[RazoE]

Originally Posted by ms3gt08 Now with that 250hp. I wish mazda would up the turbo size a little to gwt to 300

It has over 300 lb ft of torque, though. I wonder how they're going to control torque steer.

[blackms3_71]

Originally Posted by RazoE It has over 300 lb ft of torque, though. I wonder how they're going to control torque steer.

With awd!!! I hope

[aackthpt]

Originally Posted by RazoE It has over 300 lb ft of torque, though. I wonder how they're going to control torque steer.

Originally Posted by ms3gt08 With awd!!! I hope

Perhaps AWD, like the mk3 Focus RS. Or, they could do it like the mk2 Focus RS which was supposed to have nearly no torque steer at all with its "RevoKnuckle" suspension.

Former glories - driving both generations of the Ford Focus RS | Autocar

[Easter Bunny]

You guys may not remember but they never really announced the gen two. There was speculation that was never denied and then it just started showing up at dealers a couple months after the mz3 dropped. When I bought my car I had test driven a mz3 earlier in the summer and was looking used since the dealer didn't know what was going to happen.

I would not be shocked at all if the gen 3 just showed up as a 2016

[thems3driver]

I wonder how much room will be left for extra power on the new skyactive turbo. It's pushing 227 at regular and 250 with premium gas, sounds like they are maxing it out safely.

Ps. AWD will make me happy in pants.

[Balthazar]

I think there will be a next gen MS3. Its not an expensive car to devellop fpr Mazda. Everything is from the parts bin. And if AWD is on the CX3 I think we can hope for it on the MS3.

What i'm dreaming about is a new MS6 with a ''performance'' version TDI that never happened. I'm weird like that.

[csmaan12]

My question is if it's skyactiv...that likely means 14:1 compression ratio. My understanding is that turbo cars like lower compression like 9:1 or even 8.5:1. Wouldn't 14:1 be too dangerous to try to push more power out of it without upgrading internals, head studs, etc.

This is just hiw I understand it, I could be way off on what I'm saying so feel free to correct me.

On the plus side, I would love to see a 3rd Gen MS3 especially if it has AWD. It already appears like it will pack a punch as far as torque goes.

[Balthazar]

Originally Posted by csmaan12 My question is if it's skyactiv...that likely means 14:1 compression ratio. My understanding is that turbo cars like lower compression like 9:1 or even 8.5:1. Wouldn't 14:1 be too dangerous to try to push more power out of it without upgrading internals, head studs, etc. This is just hiw I understand it, I could be way off on what I'm saying so feel free to correct me. On the plus side, I would love to see a 3rd Gen MS3 especially if it has AWD. It already appears like it will pack a punch as far as torque goes.

I think Skyactiv is more of a philosophy, a smart name that says we will invest in the ICE instead of hybrids. That engine definately won't have 14:1 compression.

[csmaan12]

Originally Posted by Balthazar I think Skyactiv is more of a philosophy, a smart name that says we will invest in the ICE instead of hybrids. That engine definately won't have 14:1 compression.

If that's the case then awesome. I was under the impression the whole skyactiv thing came to be BECAUSE of the 14:1 compression. But hell, if they make a good engine with AWD then I'm game.

[Balthazar]

Originally Posted by csmaan12 If that's the case then awesome. I was under the impression the whole skyactiv thing came to be BECAUSE of the 14:1 compression. But hell, if they make a good engine with AWD then I'm game.

You'll enjoy this read

http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...tation-194630/

[DevinTheDood]

Mazda has talked about super high fuel pressure for peak atomization being a large part of the skyactive engine design as well. You could say this was evolved from the DI cdfp on the disi so it's not a stretch for them to combine the peak development of their fuel pressure tech combined with the lower base compression needed for turbo and call it "skyactive-T"

Once you're on boost your base compression is being multiplied to totals much higher than 14:1 - I'm kind of surprised companies aren't throwing peak compression ratio numbers around for their turbo motors for marketing purposes - they always seem to be on top of that kind of bs

[Frequentflyer]

Looks promising. It'd be nice to have 300hp and 40+ mpg on the highway. Of course if they make it AWD, it'd suck some of that mileage down.

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

Originally Posted by Frequentflyer Looks promising. It'd be nice to have 300hp and 40+ mpg on the highway. Of course if they make it AWD, it'd suck some of that mileage down.

[Frequentflyer]

From what I've read around the net, a new MS3 may have fizzled out.

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[Brandon@corksport]

Maybe, Mazda is good about keeping secrets though.

[Frequentflyer]

I hope so. With a market of AWD turbocharged pocket-rockets (Focus RS, WRX, Golf R), there is definitely room for competition. I just don't want a $40,000 car.

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[Easter Bunny]

Originally Posted by Frequentflyer I just don't want a $40,000 car.

Then i hope you dont think you are getting a 300hp awd hatch

[Frequentflyer]

Why not? They once made the WRX for $25,000. Did it have 300hp? No, but I honestly don't need 300hp from the factory if it'll respond well to mods.

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[texasboy21]

Originally Posted by Frequentflyer Why not? They once made the WRX for $25,000. Did it have 300hp? No, but I honestly don't need 300hp from the factory if it'll respond well to mods. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

"Once made"...

The auto market has shifted to generally be more expensive. "Entry level" now means ~$30K+.

[Frequentflyer]

If they can get 250hp/310ft-lb tq from the SkyActive 2.5L with a predicted 29mpg highway in a 4,000+ lb vehicle, I think we can manage to get near 40mpg highway from a 3,200lb car.

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[aackthpt]

Originally Posted by Frequentflyer If they can get 250hp/310ft-lb tq from the SkyActive 2.5L with a predicted 29mpg highway in a 4,000+ lb vehicle, I think we can manage to get near 40mpg highway from a 3,200lb car.

Nah. No chance it would be over 35 mpg. Unless you can produce an example of a powertrain in an SUV/CUV and a car that gets that much difference I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell.

[ALPINEST4RS]

Those are never accurate. Drive one on the road and report back. The non- turbo sky only hits 30-35 in a 3. They advertised 40+

[Frequentflyer]

Originally Posted by ALPINEST4RS Those are never accurate. Drive one on the road and report back. The non- turbo sky only hits 30-35 in a 3. They advertised 40+

I don't agree. I've rented one and have gotten 38-40 doing 65-70mph. My mother also has one. I get 28-30 in my Genwon.

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[silvapain]

Originally Posted by Frequentflyer I don't agree. I've rented one and have gotten 38-40 doing 65-70mph. My mother also has one. I get 28-30 in my Genwon. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

You need to push the skinny pedal down farther then. I'm lucky to get 23 MPG out of my Juan, on pump gas with mostly highway driving. Of course, I do 80-85 the whole time...

[Frequentflyer]

Oh well then you can't blame the car for aggressive driving gas mileage.

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[silvapain]

Originally Posted by Frequentflyer Oh well then you can't blame the car for aggressive driving gas mileage. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

I didn't blame the car for anything. I'm blaming YOU for not beating on your car like it wants because of the dirty whore it is.

Hasn't James Deen taught you anything?

[aackthpt]

Originally Posted by silvapain Hasn't James Deen taught you anything?

What, are you going to name your 'speed Stoya now?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[KiwiFlavor]

Mazda won't build new Mazdaspeed3 or 6 based on current models

much sad..

[aackthpt]

Originally Posted by KiwiFlavor Mazda won't build new Mazdaspeed3 or 6 based on current models much sad..

Sign. The good thing is that "two years" is the new "two weeks". Especially when the article suggests 2021+.

What I noted was this though.

He calls the previous Mazdaspeed3 "childish" and thinks it's time to go a different way. "Mazda brand has become more mature, more upscale, more sophisticated, and we have a new transition of the brand to relate that direction," he said.

To which I say... DAFUQ man? Admittedly the car's a bit of a hooligan but THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE LIKE about these kind of cars. Like Alfas, people love the RX-7 and RX-8 despite, or perhaps because of, the rotariness. You're not Audi or any other of ze Germans, you don't have to (perhaps shouldn't) make your performance cars refined. And you're not Honda, so don't make a refined car that lacks nads. Face it, you're really the Japanese Alfa and you should stick to that because there are already people with more resources trying to do everything else.

[Frequentflyer]

I can deal with a $30-35k car if the performance and quality is there, but I cannot justify a $40,000 Mazda3 when I can buy an S3 or M2 at not much more.

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[KiwiFlavor]

They think they fancy!!

[WAMBUSHHHH!]

Let's be real here. Mazda has had all the time in the world to release a new speed line up. The emergence of the Skyactiv tech pretty much ended any hope of another generation of speeds. The Skyactiv is a pretty amazing engine and they can stick in any other their cars without a turbo and be insanely profitable, which is what happened. Once that happened, the speed line up was more than likely considered by Mazda as a luxury and not a necessity for business. Obviously, we would all disagree being in a speed community but that's business I spose.

Mazda is obviously content with letting the Miata be their flagship "sport" car and rightfully so since its been a fan favorite for generations. Gheys stick together!

[aackthpt]

Originally Posted by WAMBUSHHHH! Once that happened, the speed line up was more than likely considered by Mazda as a luxury and not a necessity for business. Obviously, we would all disagree being in a speed community but that's business I spose. Mazda is obviously content with letting the Miata be their flagship "sport" car and rightfully so since its been a fan favorite for generations. Gheys stick together!

I don't really agree. Mazda just can't keep any kind of a "Zoom-Zoom" image that appeals to the largest auto market (north america) with the Miata. Yes, for now business has dictated that they put their energies into crossovers and Skyactiv - but in the long term if that is all they do they are going to lose their image. I believe they understand this, which is why they continue to work on the rotary despite it basically being a stupid move, because it would be much easier (which is important since they are clearly short on resources here) to stuff the CX-9 motor into a 3 to make a new 'speed or if they don't want to do that to make an electric performance car since it seems relatively easy to make them fast as hell.

Look at the wiki entry for Mazdaspeed. No Mazdaspeed, no 787B, no reputation based upon being the only Japanese LeMans winner, basically no performance reputation. Basically the end of Mazda as we know it and as currently marketed. Somewhere, someone in Mazda marketing realizes this.

You're right that the lack of 'speed models is a business thing, no doubt in part by not having the Ford parts bin to choose from ('speed3 from brakes from a Volvo? Heh, not anymore you won't). Overall I think Mazda is just finding itself again, figuring out who they are and who they want to be now that the parts honey pot is gone. Difficult to say if Mazdaspeed as a consumer thing really will ever come back but I think that for Mazda to survive and be able to continue with their current marketing strategy it has to.

I'd have to look around very carefully, but I know the RS would be high on my list if I were in the market for a new car. And if I liked the car at all, I bet once I dipped my toe into the more widely supported Ford shiz it might be difficult to go back.

[Frequentflyer]

Not true. The new CX-9 has a turbocharged version of the 2.5L SkyActiv engine with 250hp/310 ft-lb torque. This is still first gen SkyActiv technology. I am sure 300hp is attainable.

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