Be the change you wish to see

[CorkSport]

Recently, we've released some parts that seem to attract criticism lately. These parts are mostly made from suggestions from this very forum or from our website submissions. Invariably we get complaints that it's not for this car or not for that car or too expensive or not in the right color. So, with that in mind, I've decided to give one lucky MSF'er a chance to put his money where his mouth is.

If you are truly interested in a part, have a great idea for it, think it will sell enough for us to make at least 100 of them, are willing to pay for your own prototype and work with us to perfect it; now is your chance!

So here it is, post what you want, what you'd be willing to help with (your time and money will be required) and how many you think you could actually help sell.

We know our customers are our brand, so tell me what you are willing to do to get the part you really want.

Cheers,
Joel


P.S. I think this could be a lot of fun for the right person.

[dale_gribble]

After successful design/prototyping by the person, which party retains rights to the part? If there is any IP created from a new innovation, who owns the intellectual property? If the person owns the part, will you license it from them or buy the design? If you buy/own the part does the designer get royalties from sales?

[Natey]

Originally Posted by dale_gribble After successful design/prototyping by the person, which party retains rights to the part? If there is any IP created from a new innovation, who owns the intellectual property? If the person owns the part, will you license it from them or buy the design? If you buy/own the part does the designer get royalties from sales?

That person should just manufacture their part themselves and start their own thread in their own vendor forum and get rich quick! lol, what kind of royalties do you think a company who makes parts for like a half dozen models of Mazda rakes in?

I have a feeling this is geared toward providing a part for our cars that no one else offers...a white flag after the lugnut debacle, if you will. I don't think Joel@Corksport had dollar signs in his eyes while he thought up the idea for this thread.

[CorkSport]

Originally Posted by dale_gribble After successful design/prototyping by the person, which party retains rights to the part? If there is any IP created from a new innovation, who owns the intellectual property? If the person owns the part, will you license it from them or buy the design? If you buy/own the part does the designer get royalties from sales?

This would be your idea, our design and production. You would be credited and named as instrumental in the creation of the product. The product would be designed and produced by us and tested and perfected with you.

Originally Posted by Natey That person should just manufacture their part themselves and start their own thread in their own vendor forum and get rich quick! lol, what kind of royalties do you think a company who makes parts for like a half dozen models of Mazda rakes in? I have a feeling this is geared toward providing a part for our cars that no one else offers...a white flag after the lugnut debacle, if you will. I don't think Joel@Corksport had dollar signs in his eyes while he thought up the idea for this thread.

This is more what I'm thinking, a spirit of collaboration. Many people say they could do better... let's have fun and see if we can.

Cheers,
Joel

[p057]

ms6 driveshaft

[Code Monkey]

Originally Posted by p057 ms6 driveshaft

Originally Posted by Joel@CorkSport make at least 100 of them

^

[Jh8909]

Originally Posted by p057 ms6 driveshaft

Would buy.

[MazdaspeedKills]

Originally Posted by p057 ms6 driveshaft

I second the MS6 driveshaft!

[dale_gribble]

Ah, got it, now I understand. Thanks.

[CorkSport]

Originally Posted by dale_gribble Ah, got it, now I understand. Thanks.

I'd be very interested to see what you came up with.

[captain slow]

A part designed by MSF would be cool. I am a mechanical designer by day so I love to draw shit up.

You guys really need to make an exhaust and/or intake manifold.....

[CorkSport]

Originally Posted by captain slow A part designed by MSF would be cool. I am a mechanical designer by day so I love to draw shit up. You guys really need to make an exhaust and/or intake manifold.....

I love both of those ideas. The only real problem is finding someone who can actually cast things well without charging an arm and a leg.... not that we've been working on anything like that...

[Tokay444]

I heard from a little bird that Joel said the reason corksport "didn't make" rear calipers, was because of the "integrated drum parking brake." Because well all know that's how out parking brake works.
Maybe corksport should concentrate on completing parts that they've already brought to market first. IE, find an Asian supplier for the rear caliper and put their name on it.
Or is that too late now that willwood makes a kit?

Originally Posted by Joel@CorkSport I love both of those ideas. The only real problem is finding someone who can actually cast things well without charging an arm and a leg.... not that we've been working on anything like that...

Why would it have to be cast?

[CorkSport]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 I heard from a little bird that Joel said the reason corksport "didn't make" rear calipers, was because of the "integrated drum parking brake." Because well all know that's how out parking brake works. Maybe corksport should concentrate on completing parts that they've already brought to market first. IE, find an Asian supplier for the rear caliper and put their name on it. Is is that too late now that willwood makes a kit?

Oh ok, I'll bite on this one. I remember that conversation perfectly well. I thought the MS3 used a Subaru style rear parking brake like most Japanese cars... I was wrong. It uses a VW style e brake. Personally, I'm ok with admitting if I'm wrong, my wife will tell you that .

Originally Posted by Tokay444 Why would it have to be cast?

It doesn't have to, but wouldn't that be awesome???

Originally Posted by captain slow I've played with drawing both up in CATIA and Pro/E (what I use at work) just to see if I could. I dont know enough about runner length or size, it was more of just seeing how difficult it would be. It's actually really tough when you have no reference geometry to help, like the full engine in the engine bay.

I can agree with that, I'd love to take a peek at what you come up with though!!!

[breakfstincluded]

Originally Posted by Joel@CorkSport Oh ok, I'll bite on this one. I remember that conversation perfectly well. I thought the MS3 used a Subaru style rear parking brake like most Japanese cars... I was wrong. It uses a VW style e brake. Personally, I'm ok with admitting if I'm wrong, my wife will tell you that .

Don't worry, you got to be wrong. And I Got to ask a stupid question to confirm what you told me, that question was promptly shot down by several of our finest in the wilwood thread

Learning is half the battle!

How's the blue rsb packaging coming?

[CorkSport]

Originally Posted by breakfstincluded Don't worry, you got to be wrong. And I Got to ask a stupid question to confirm what you told me, that question was promptly shot down by several of our finest in the wilwood thread Learning is half the battle! How's the blue rsb packaging coming?

I should have news on those bars on Friday. I'll make sure Spencer contacts you.

Originally Posted by Mazdazilla6 I would definitely be down to help develop some springs (or possibly coils) that are actually rated for the speed6. I know it's not a new idea but it bothers me that Autoexe is the only one making real speed6 springs and rpm is long gone. I'm going to school for automotive engineering and I can check if there is a spring dyno. I can also try and get access to lifts and alignment racks if needed. I also find rear calipers, manifolds and driveshaft all great ideas.

We went down the road with coil-overs and they were just going to be too expensive to do them the way we would have wanted to. Springs on the other hand are already in production... Don't tell anyone....

Let's keep this conversation rolling though, I like it!!!

[captain slow]

I've played with drawing both up in CATIA and Pro/E (what I use at work) just to see if I could. I dont know enough about runner length or size, it was more of just seeing how difficult it would be. It's actually really tough when you have no reference geometry to help, like the full engine in the engine bay.

[Tokay444]

So now that you know the brakes aren't drum parking, will you finish the kit? And get the brakets for the speed6 made?
Seems to me there are loose ends which should be tied up, before putting something else on your plate.

[CorkSport]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 So now that you know the brakes aren't drum parking, will you finish the kit? And get the brakets for the speed6 made? Seems to me there are loose ends which should be tied up, before putting something else on your plate.

Brackets for Speed 6 are on the way. I think the rear brakes are going to be strictly a money concern. They won't sell enough to be worth it is my thought. If you look back everyone said they wanted red... the people that actually bought the brakes... left a lot of red on our shelves.

[BigRedSpecial]

I like this idea. It could produce some parts that are badly needed but no one will tackle to do limited sales/returns.

I'd be willing to brush up on my Solidworks/Autocad/Mastercam skills if it'd help. Plus I'm always willing to be a guinea pig.

[dale_gribble]

I still know for a 100% fact that if somebody designed/modified a spill valve to work with upgraded internals the way the stock spill valve works with the stock internals and be compatible with E85 that this spill valve could be sold to pretty much anyone that has ever or would ever install internals and I imagine the margins would be there to make it worthwhile.

[CorkSport]

Originally Posted by dale_gribble I still know for a 100% fact that if somebody designed/modified a spill valve to work with upgraded internals the way the stock spill valve works with the stock internals and be compatible with E85 that this spill valve could be sold to pretty much anyone that has ever or would ever install internals and I imagine the margins would be there to make it worthwhile.

From what I've been told, the E85 itself is the problem. I don't want to get too far down this road though because we already have plans in the fuel department so perhaps we focus somewhere else?

[captain slow]

We have a lot of people on this forum with different skills. We could easily assemble a Design team where some people can work on drawing it up, others could help price out and obtain materials, someone to fab, someone to do the engineering validation, someone to test.

I doubt one person could do all of this, but we could make it a team effort. I realize this is kind of what Corksport is saying, but for example, if I wanted to design an exhaust mani, I am not in the position to be able to install for testing purposes. This is where a team would be handy.

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by captain slow We have a lot of people on this forum with different skills. We could easily assemble a Design team where some people can work on drawing it up, others could help price out and obtain materials, someone to fab, someone to do the engineering validation, someone to test. I doubt one person could do all of this, but we could make it a team effort. I realize this is kind of what Corksport is saying, but for example, if I wanted to design an exhaust mani, I am not in the position to be able to install for testing purposes. This is where a team would be handy.

And once you all do that, what do you need corksport for?
They're not even fronting the prototype capital.

[WetzMS3]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 And once you all do that, what do you need corksport for? They're not even fronting the prototype capital.

That was my first thought. If all the skills are here on MSF and CS isn't funding anything, other then end production that they profit from, not MSF, then what is the point of involving CS?

[julienjj]

Originally Posted by captain slow We have a lot of people on this forum with different skills. We could easily assemble a Design team where some people can work on drawing it up, others could help price out and obtain materials, someone to fab, someone to do the engineering validation, someone to test. I doubt one person could do all of this, but we could make it a team effort. I realize this is kind of what Corksport is saying, but for example, if I wanted to design an exhaust mani, I am not in the position to be able to install for testing purposes. This is where a team would be handy.

Seriously, we need a Nator design team making "open source parts"

I'm down.

[CorkSport]

These are all good points. I like the discussion!!!

Let's keep in mind that just because you would be responsible for helping fund the costs of your prototype to keep and test, doesn't mean that CS would not be spending money.
Engineering time, dyno testing (if needed), design time, etc. all cost money.

If anyone feels like starting their own business, I'm all for that, we would probably be there to help and give advice. But if you want to be part of something, without having to start your own business, but still be able to say "that was me". This is a great opportunity.

I will also say, that it can be lucrative if the idea is actually a killer. The customer that helped us with our BOV idea will be getting royalties when we finally release it.

So there's nothing in this for use to just profit, we want to put our money where your mouth is just as much as you do. I see this as a success even if the net gain is zero dollars.

[Agent_Orange]

Originally Posted by WetzMS3 That was my first thought. If all the skills are here on MSF and CS isn't funding anything, other then end production that they profit from, not MSF, then what is the point of involving CS?

Cuz they haz cool logo???

[Tokay444]

Alight.

[Mazdazilla6]

I would definitely be down to help develop some springs (or possibly coils) that are actually rated for the speed6. I know it's not a new idea but it bothers me that Autoexe is the only one making real speed6 springs and rpm is long gone. I'm going to school for automotive engineering and I can check if there is a spring dyno. I can also try and get access to lifts and alignment racks if needed.


I also find rear calipers, manifolds and driveshaft all great ideas.

[Code Monkey]

Originally Posted by Mazdazilla6 I would definitely be down to help develop some springs (or possibly coils) that are actually rated for the speed6.

Here you go.

[Mazdazilla6]

Originally Posted by Code Monkey Here you go.

I've followed that thread from the start but I had something in mind that wasn't quite as pricey and came in one standard rate (for sake of price). I understand that some people here will look for their own springs rates because they have preferences or track their car and FCM is a great option for anyone like that. But there really are not any options for the average guy who wants to get rid of the 4x4 look and improve handling a bit. I've got Megans right now and it looks great but the ride quality is horrid and the rear tires rub on my fenders like non other if I put any amount of weight in the rear.

[helmetface]

"Send us money for prototype" they said.

"2 weeks" they said.

[motherfnmonsta]

I my self do not have the time to do this, but if some one can design mounting system for a water meth tank and pump in the gen won and gen pu ms3 and simple solution for a water meth nozzle location such as a bung all ready in the elbow going from the FMIC to the TB or the cold pipe it self.

[Agent_Orange]

Originally Posted by motherfnmonsta and simple solution for a water meth nozzle location such as a bung all ready in the elbow going from the FMIC to the TB or the cold pipe it self.

Like this?

[motherfnmonsta]

Originally Posted by Agent_Orange Like this?

Yes but ms3/ms6 specific

[Hammology]

Upgraded axles for the MS6 wouldnt be a bad idea, and im dow to be a guinea pig for anything mentioned so far .

[anavrinIV]

I'll bite the bullet and design twinscroll manifolds for you, both t3 and t4. Expect some drawings in a couple weeks.

[Johnny_Law]

Would three other MSF members be willing to chip in $500 each (total of $2,000) for adjustable lower front control arms?

Here is a generic plan with the money:

-Buy two new control arms (left and right) to determine the stock mounting locations. I wouldn’t trust a used lower control arm, as one curb check is all it takes to tweak it.

-Build two prototype welding jigs to duplicate stock mounting locations and then use them to fab up the actual controls arms once the design is completed. I used to work next door to this shop and they did the same thing:

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-Use heim joints for the two mounting locations and a similar design for the ball joint as in this kit:

CFM Front Tubular Control Arms for '00-11 Ford Focus

-Conduct a rudimentary destructive testing similar to this one at 2:30 onward time frame. This way there is a no B.S. and you have clearly shown that your lower control arms are stronger than stock. Also showcase the figures derived from the engineering package you guys use:

Pinkbike Visits The Santa Cruz Test Lab Video - YouTube

Pinkbike Visits The Santa Cruz Test Lab Video - YouTube

You could build something similar to that test fixture in 3-4 hours and use it for future suspension components.

Since this is a lower control arm, gussets and or pierced tubes with welding around the circumference are mandatory to reduce catastrophic failures during impact damage. I would emphasize strength, lateral stiffness for reduced deflection, and then adjustments in that order.

The four who provided the money should each receive a free pair of control arms and then CorkSport can make money on the other 96 pairs.

[Stingray69]

How about a on/off switch for all of us peeps with V2 APs that don't intend to upgrade. Basically all it needs to be is an OBD II connector male on one side female on the other with a switch in it. Install between the cable and the the factory port no cutting of wires needed.

Still not sure why anyone would want to put up cash just to say it was their idea. When I invest green I expect return on investment.