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So I have now bought one cam tool made by a former vendor, one sold on ebay, and one supposidly oem timing tool from a member on here and all of them have a significant amount of play and allow the cams to rock more than 5* which is laughably unacceptable. These things are only good for blowing engines.

So has anyone picked up a cam tool that fits snugly and doesnt allow the cam to turn? Im to the point of wanting to make my own.

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So I have now bought one cam tool made by a former vendor, one sold on ebay, and one supposidly oem timing tool from a member on here and all of them have a significant amount of play and allow the cams to rock more than 5* which is laughably unacceptable. These things are only good for blowing engines.

So has anyone picked up a cam tool that fits snugly and doesnt allow the cam to turn? Im to the point of wanting to make my own.

I also am not interested in an aluminum tool.
The one we borrowed from DJ when we did Dougs motor seemed to fit nice and snug. It was an aluminum one that he made

Edit: sorry didnt see that you wanted to stay away from alum
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Yeah I am wanting a steel tool. I think edge has a tool and I think the oem tool is also steel but im tired of spending money on crap tools that allow play. Anyone have any experience with those?
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I had a thread about these a couple weeks ago. I have my kit and it looks damn good. I should have my package from onlinemazdaparts.com tomorrow, and the chain will go on when I get back from vacation after Christmas. I'll let you know how it does. The kit I have has shim packs in it so play should not be an issue.

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OEM? the OEM one i have used was legit and pretty much needed to be tapped in to the cams because it fit so well lol
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Just shim the fucker.
I understand wanting it to be rite, believe me.
Have you mic'd them to see if they're all the same? Maybe it's your head that's out.
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@06Speed6; want me to mic the OEM tool for you in the morning?
I can tell you it's very snug. Like superskaterxes said you have to sometimes give it a little tap to get it in place.
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Here is my oem one and i have never had any play with all the motor i have built and used this with!! Very snug just like skater stated..

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I have two from SURE...or street unit...whoever sells them, and neither one had any fitment issues, both fit snug. I wonder if there's an issue with your cams if none have fit right so far...

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Just shim the fucker.
I understand wanting it to be rite, believe me.
Have you mic'd them to see if they're all the same? Maybe it's your head that's out.
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@06Speed6; want me to mic the OEM tool for you in the morning?
I can tell you it's very snug. Like superskaterxes said you have to sometimes give it a little tap to get it in place.
I have 8 camshafts right now, I know they arent all wrong. Gotta be the tool.

Thanks for offering to mic it, I can mic the cam if I decide to make one so I should be fine.

Sounds like oem is the way to go then, now to find a good price for one, bitches aint cheap
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Or the head was line bored high.
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Well, for reference the thickness of the OEM one is .190 to .193 depending where I measured.
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If anyone knows a cheap place to get the OEM plate please post it.
I've tried a few mazda dealers with no luck. They don't want to sell it.
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I second that, those bitches are expensive.
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what is CHEAP to you? here is a place for 148...OTC 303-1061 303-1061 - Camshaft Alignment Timing Tool (Mazda) here for 128 ...http://www.automotive-diagnostic-too...t-303-1061.htm here for the cam and crank tool 140.00 http://www.customautorepairtools.com...lignment-tool/ last place for 109...http://www.monstermarketplace.com/au...o-otc-303-1061
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109 is cheap enough. All those tools are steel right? Not aluminum?
Guess this one is the same for $80

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109 is cheap enough. All those tools are steel right? Not aluminum?
Guess this one is the same for $80

Mazda Twin Cam Turbo 2 3L Engine Camshaft Alignment Plate Same as 303 1061 | eBay
i wouldent get anything that says "comparable"

i would try and find the cheapest OEM one possible because u know its built to stock standards. just because these other ones are made of steel doesent mean they are the correct width/length ect, which is the whole point of timing the motor.
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with that said then you might not want to get any of the ones that i posted for you to look at as i was just looking at price when i searched it..
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the only one i would trust is OTC as they make half the mazda SST's anyway
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the only one i would trust is OTC as they make half the mazda SST's anyway
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OTC makes most Ford tools and half work on some mazda somewhere. OTC is good enough for me.
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What type of price are you looking for? I get discounts from my local dealer and i can see what they charge me for one if you want?
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What's the actual Mazda part# for that tool? I'm curious what MMS pricing is.
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What's the actual Mazda part# for that tool? I'm curious what MMS pricing is.

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Looked up both numbers and nothing came up. I may just need to call them.
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Looked up both numbers and nothing came up. I may just need to call them.
post 16 i posted several places that have them but they are copies not OEM...
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Just want to say I used the timing kit I got and it worked flawlessly. The link is in the other timing tool thread.

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OEM is $130 at onlinemazdaparts.com
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I'm from Russia. Can anybody measure the plate and make a picture with dimensions, I want to do plate myself.

If someone need a 303-507 (CT-B121) tool dimensions (mm):

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I'm from Russia. Can anybody measure the plate and make a picture with dimensions, I want to do plate myself.

If someone need a 303-507 (CT-B121) tool dimensions (mm):

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I would need the plate (303-1061) dimensions also, because here in Europe we have not got such a good support and community to hire it for 1 or 2 days so I'm gonna make it my own. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by PanDee View Post
Hi,

I would need the plate (303-1061) dimensions also, because here in Europe we have not got such a good support and community to hire it for 1 or 2 days so I'm gonna make it my own. Thanks!
From Russian to Hungarian brothers with love!
Dimensions in mm.
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Thank you Stepik! You helped me a lot, just one day before starting the VVT and chain replacement work! Greetings from Hungary!
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What the fuck is going on here. Some kind of eastern block circle jerk?
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I'm retarded. I sure feels that way. I bought a cam alignment tool and now It wont fit. Everything tells me it should, the measurements provided in this thread and others confirm that the part that should fit the slot is 5mm. My CAT is 5mm, but I cant get anything bigger than 1mm when I use a feeler gauge to measure between the top of the head and the slot in the cam.

What am I doing wrong? Is the slot offset so my cams are 180* wrong?
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Originally Posted by cocoanton View Post
My CAT is 5mm, but I cant get anything bigger than 1mm when I use a feeler gauge to measure between the top of the head and the slot in the cam.

What am I doing wrong? Is the slot offset so my cams are 180* wrong?
Pictures would help...

Can you take a picture of the camshafts so we can see the orientation of the lobes as well as a picture of the slotted ends of the cams?
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I was just on the wrong phase, ob nore turn fixed the problem. False alarm!
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