DCR Update Thread

[phailerider]

Ive been somewhat gaurded about what has transpired at DCR, but enough is underway that i feel its time for an update. I also fear that many of you may be worrying if DCR is as committed as you hoped.

They are..... more than ever. Heres what we have going on so far.....

Custom internal designs have been selected for the motor, and are in the process of being ordered and/or produced. Numerous internal working parts are in the process of being fabricated, coated, and altered. This includes rods and pistons that will go in the first motor. They will be DCR "customized". They are rated to 1200whp. No i wont talk about what they are specifically. Darrells applications get ripped off everywhere, they wont here.... at least in the immediate future...lol

Darrell timed a motor visually, 30 minutes after he first saw one out of a car..... all on sight, without the manual. After doing that, and having concerns with how the motor is timed....We are going to alter how that works as well. We will abandon the hydraulic tensioner and go manual. We are going to key the crank and the gears. We will also be offering an adjustable dcr cam gears as well.

Darrell thinks the motor is beefy, likes the crank, most of the design.... and is confident the motor is capable of 1000hp with testing.

We anticipate having the car built again and on the dyno by the end of May for preliminary results. We'll dyno it, track it, and then tear it down before we offer the parts on a large scale.

We have been interviewing other sponsor cars to do a DI low number build on(400-500whp). Please dont inquire... I will contact you.
Plans are underway to acquire a shopcar that could be stripped out and turned into the DCR hotrod. 7's are the goal.
He isnt ready to gut my car yet..lol but wants to do a 2.5-2.6l stroker with secondary port injection on the stock intake on mine(goal being 500whp+) He wants it repeatable..... on our longblock and our intake. It will be available as a kit. 9's are the goal eventually on my "street" version. Much like the red sled is for their dodge application.
Eventually we will have an a dcr pro intake for this application but not immediately.
He wants to not swap heads on any application we are considering, but instead accomplish this all off the stock longblock...

Several disi heads have been examined extensively and been cut up for inspection.

We stockpiled 4 full longblocks for motor builds and testing.

A LARGE aftermarket ems manufacturer has committed to starting new development on the car, after seeing DCRs commitment to us.

Hes seen the exhaust manifold on my car and wants to do something different for it. We will correct some things and make 2 versions depending on your goals... although having been discussed heavily, they have not been produced. We will have stock, t-3, t-4 flanges all available.
He wont use the atp gt35r thats on the car, and will probably use a BW362 like the 560whp caliber has used successfully.

We'll be making dcr cams.... experimenting in the near future.
We will have DCR springs and retainers. DCR upgraded intake and exhaust valves will be used.
Probably 3 different versions of port and polished heads will be available for engine builds as well.

Again... the first versions of this will be on my car for testing by the end of may.. thats the goal. Darrell is confident in me announcing that timetable at this point.

Also.... we are hoping to have tmics, fmics, exhausts, individually flowtested cdfps, and other things along the line to help fill some of the requests of the market whether it makes it on the sponsor cars or not. Some of this stuff is more imminent than others.

Well... fire away if you have other questions.

[phailerider]

Btw....Please make all requests regarding DCR directed to me. I will personally be the liason between DCR and the mazda market..... eventually spending most of my days working right out of their office. They are busy as hell as is.... and they dont want 100 calls a day like i get asking what darrells opinion to why our motor pops is. Hopefully that works for everybody I know im stoked!

[spheed3]

Randy...that's awesome! 2.6l 500+HP Speeds roaming the streets sounds like an excellent idea. Where do I sign up? This news adds a new level of confidence as far as dumping money into this car goes.

[SneakyP86]

Damn good news Randy........I am very interested in the 400-500 whp build myself as you know I am interested in keeping my car as somewhat of a DD at least for the forseeable future........Its good to hear someone of his caliber is interested in seeing what he can make happen.......Good Luck on your build.

[RocketScientist]

End of May, this year? That will be incredible just from a design and test standpoint. Looks like I'll need to set aside another pile of $ for more parts soon. I'm very interested if anything will be done to the short block, crank girdle?

[Haltech]

Good news indeed

[phillyb]

awesome update and great news. thanks randy!

[Smoker6]

W00t! Keep up the great work Randy.

[757Speed]

Anything regarding to an idea of why our engines pop? =)

[danesti]

i can has 500whp?

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by phillyb awesome update and great news. thanks randy!

sorry your gonna be stuck working with me philly

Originally Posted by danems6 i can has 500whp?

you can have more if youd like. 500whp is not stoopid fast. Darrell isnt going to declare success until a ms is in the 9's. Thats DCR stoopid fast.

Originally Posted by 757Speed Anything regarding to an idea of why our engines pop? =)

yes... lots of theories. But he isnt going to post speculation until he has some real evidence.
I will say his biggest immediate thought is about trying to make lots of power on a direct injected car, with lots of stock timing, high compression, but all designed with every possible goal in mind to improve fuel economy. safety is comes from cool, and fuel.
think about that a little. im not going to say anymore.

[Lex]

Thanks for the update - how much power is DCR planning to make without upgrading the internals - so on the stock bottom end?

[skeeter149]

good news....good news indeed.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Lex Thanks for the update - how much power is DCR planning to make without upgrading the internals - so on the stock bottom end?

i think more fuel(especially through port injection), and less timing could allow a little more, safe power, on the stock shortblock. weve seen that with meth and tuning before.

its not a stated goal at this time to find out tho. i think we already have enough guys experiment with that.

the car is expensive to mod, and blocks arent cheap. the goal here isnt to find guys away to make 400whp on the stock bottom end for 50k miles. it aint gonna happen without heavy modification, perhaps to the design of the longblock anyway. to not build it would continue to be a deathwish imo.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by palerider i think more fuel(especially through port injection), and less timing could allow more power on the stock shortblock. its not a goal at this time to find out tho. the car is expensive to mod, and blocks arent cheap. the goal here isnt to find guys away to make 400whp on the stock bottom end for 50k miles. it aint gonna happen without heavy modification, perhaps to the design of the longblock anyway. to not build it would continue to be a deathwish imo.

Fair enough - but DCR will make bolt ons as well? What is their recommendation on when a built motor is needed to go further?

[triplejumper18]

Woo! Awesome!

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Lex Fair enough - but DCR will make bolt ons as well? What is their recommendation on when a built motor is needed to go further?

i editted my first post a little more for clarity.
but i think their recommendation would be simple. It would agree with much of what weve already come to accept here. 330ish on up should be built motor time.

darrell has made a load of small comments on initial impressions regarding design.... but im not gonna pass them all along at this point. i just think its premature

[psychophyr]

The other car should be an MS6 so he can figure out some alternatives to the shit in the driveline that is going to break.

Does he have any plans for this anyways? Specifically for the 6 guys?

Thanks

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by psychophyr The other car should be an MS6 so he can figure out some alternatives to the shit in the driveline that is going to break. Does he have any plans for this anyways? Specifically for the 6 guys? Thanks

there isnt anything in the driveline that he couldnt figure out how to fix the day it breaks... after working with these guys it just isnt an issue. shit breaking is what happens when you race cars like this at the track.
and there will be some test mules for both cars. ive spoken to some speed6 guys as well.

[oskinosmee]

This is good stuff for you guys. Good work Randy

[JMEngineer]

This is the best news I've heard since I bought my MS6! Thanks for the update

[bf360]

I had a feeling a thread like this was coming, and i saw the title and smiled lol, things are looking pretty good for now

[taf0422]

yayy! I can't wait for all of this to continue! Great job Randy! I will definitely keep looking in on this thread!

[MPSdriver]

Thanks for the update!

I'm keeping my MS6 in stasis until DCR starts bringing parts to the market
Hopefully there will be some drivetrain upgrades b/c I don't think the MS6 drivetrain is going to be happy with 500+ awhp

[Laloosh]

a ms in the 9s will need a whole new tranny. Im sure he knows that cause the stock one is geared like a pos and we dont even know how strong it is. Plus ud be finishing in 6th gear lmao.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by Laloosh a ms in the 9s will need a whole new tranny. Im sure he knows that cause the stock one is geared like a pos and we dont even know how strong it is. Plus ud be finishing in 6th gear lmao.

knowing darrell it will be a dcr automatic by then.

[Fa5t]

GO DCR!

[94jedi]

Originally Posted by palerider knowing darrell it will be a dcr automatic by then.

in a high hp turbo car, automatic is the way to go. Especially in a FWD.

[kore2000]

I don't care if it is faster, automatics suck from a fun standpoint.

Other than that this is fucking great news.

[94jedi]

Originally Posted by kore2000 I don't care if it is faster, automatics suck from a fun standpoint. Other than that this is fucking great news.

lol, go 140+ mph in 9 seconds or less and tell me that isn't fun....

I'm guessing it'll be a "shifted" auto of some kind so you might still be able to row the gears.

besides, you won't need an auto until you get "stoopid" fast. 11's are "sedate" enough for a manual lol.

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by kore2000 I don't care if it is faster, automatics suck from a fun standpoint. Other than that this is fucking great news.

in a 9 or 10 second ms3, i dont think youre gonna complain about it not being fun just because your manually shifting without a clutch.

in fact... it might be more fun... because when you floor it, you might actually go somewhere eventually.

[kore2000]

Originally Posted by palerider in a 9 or 10 second ms3, i dont think youre gonna complain about it not being fun just because your manually shifting without a clutch. in fact... it might be more fun... because when you floor it, you might actually go somewhere eventually.

Yeah but in an MS6 I have that little thing called traction. When I punch it, I go somewhere...albeit not very fast, but I do go

And low 11's, high 10's is just fine with me. I'm not picky.

[socks]

Originally Posted by kore2000 And low 11's, high 10's is just fine with me. I'm not picky.

you may forget that there hasnt been an ms3/6 in the low 12's yet. let alone 11's or 10's.

Id love to see a 5spd tranny geared to finish the 1/4 in 4th gear.

Id love to see serious traction bars (although i am trying to work my way around those also), not the single sheer street options available currently...

Id like to see some rear springs that will hold the rear end from squatting. Im going to try spring boosters, but im not sure how effective that will be till i try it.

Id like to see some sort of way to make the shifter cables more solid, but im not sure how much a cable linkage can be upgraded..

This car is known for its serious shifting issues, having a transversly mounted engine. Im sure DCR will have some insight, as thats the same configuration the srt4 uses.

In the meantime, some things i have ordered to try are a shifter, solid shifter base bushings, and stiffer lower control arm bushings. Id like some tolerable, yet stronger engine mounts as well. I think CPE might have that covered though, when they are released.

[triplejumper18]

I'd like to see some quality springs and shocks for the MS6 that can be used for daily driving and for lapping days on a road course. I don't believe we have a single stand alone shock that is built specifically for the MS6.

[socks]

Well when your looking at shocks, one thing you have to realize, is that with the weight of the speed6 and the mazda6 being similar, companies like Koni and Bilstein arent going to make different shocks for the two cars. the shocks they make for the mazda6 are to their specifics of "optimal" for that wheelbase, suspension geometry, and vehicle weight. thus a speed6 specific shock shouldnt be any more/less aggressive just because the car is a more sporty/aggressive car.

If your looking to road course, and be comfortable on the street, you really should look into an adjustable coilover. there have been some KILLER deals on BC coilovers lately.

[Rutedown]

palerider,
Are they going to test how far the stock long block can be pushed with and without bolt-on's?

[triplejumper18]

Oh yeah, aside from suspension, I just want to be able to run safely with basic bolt-ons.

[ATE BALLER]

Hey, I didn't get my call!

j/k, lol

Speaking of transmissions, give me some straight cut gears in a dog box and I'll be happy. You still shift, but don't need the clutch

[94jedi]

Originally Posted by Rutedown palerider, Are they going to test how far the stock long block can be pushed with and without bolt-on's?

I think he answered this and the "jist" of it was that they're leaving it at the 330whp mark. If you go above that on the sock internals, you're asking for trouble. Obviously you can meth it up to make things safer but still.

[JMEngineer]

I think AutoEXE has a suspension kit specifically for the MS6, but it's something like $2500. I've heard nothing but good things about the BC's.

As far a transmission, I would like to still have a 6 speed manual, just geared to top out at about 205ish at redline in sixth.