ECU Reflash Tuning Solution from Performance Racing

[NYpest]

Originally Posted by Haltech Post a link, i wanna see this.

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.ph...71.0;topicseen

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by NYpest http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.ph...71.0;topicseen

Lame ass board, that's all i gotta say.

[Performance Racing]

Forgot I am a old vendor there, I never post there though, haha.

I'll tr to get some interest on that forum, but try not to cross-link it over, if that is a problem. The more the merrier, the sooner we can start reflashing.

I am aiming to begin flashing at the beginning week of April, VERY soon

[NYpest]

Originally Posted by Performance Racing Forgot I am a old vendor there, I never post there though, haha. I'll tr to get some interest on that forum, but try not to cross-link it over, if that is a problem. The more the merrier, the sooner we can start reflashing. I am aiming to begin flashing at the beginning week of April, VERY soon

you gotta get over there lol i think riots are starting lol

[Performance Racing]

Trying to post but wow, their boards are amazingly slow. enough flaming for now though, I'll try to post there later on.

I wanted to update everyone on some more reading I did. Old news maybe, but heres a dyno of a bolted up Mazdaspeed 6 with a CDFP tuned at 18psi... you can see the difference in boost vs hp vs RPM at the high end, 30hp increase with JUST the additional of the CDFP.

Again, we may release a Stage 2+ reflash, which is the Stage 2 with the addition of of the CDFP. We will be working with Mrlilguy's High pressure Fuel Pump solution to create a custom reflash.

-Adding the CDFP on a Stage 1 or 2 will NOT induce fuel cut!
-Frees about 30hp at the high end
-Our Stage 2+ reflash will give you the most power from your CDFP upgrade, with supporting modifications.

Check out the below Dyno/datalogs, courtesy of dadasracecar.

[NYpest]

hot

[Performance Racing]

Ah, as for the max efficiency of the turbo... they too lost power at 19lbs, and got more at 18lbs..

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by Performance Racing Forgot I am a old vendor there, I never post there though, haha. I'll tr to get some interest on that forum, but try not to cross-link it over, if that is a problem. The more the merrier, the sooner we can start reflashing. I am aiming to begin flashing at the beginning week of April, VERY soon

You can crosslink, not a big deal. Maybe save some of those poor members from the idiots who run that site. Thats the largest group of uninformative users i have ran across since owning a mustang.

[JMS3GTL]

are the reflashes safe for 91 octane?

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by JMS3GTL are the reflashes safe for 91 octane?

Yep. Other countries like Europe, Aus, usually have 90 octane or less.

[Performance Racing]

Originally Posted by Davidb With my boost controller i'm holding 17psi for a bit(midrange) then it drops around 15-16psi around 5900rpms... I am interested as well in this. It would be nice to have a extra "1000" rpms in every gear

1000? Maybe not. Currently, redline is 6800, with rev limiter at 7000, am I right? We can raise the rev limiter, but I need to do more testing to be sure it's safe..

Originally Posted by NYpest M3F is gang'n up on me lol i might have mentioned im on board with this in a new thread ...and WOW

I've posted over there, everything should be okay

It is much better and easier to post here, since all pertinent information, answers, etc is posted in this thread.

Originally Posted by JMS3GTL are the reflashes safe for 91 octane?

Yes sir You can run race fuel safely as well.
Remember, we are using a factory ECU and adjusting the AFR, Timing, Fuel, etc. Most factory settings are retained, making a ECU Reflash VERY safe.

No lose wires, no cutting, splicing, etc.

[Davidb]

Originally Posted by Performance Racing 1000? Maybe not. Currently, redline is 6800, with rev limiter at 7000, am I right? We can raise the rev limiter, but I need to do more testing to be sure it's safe.. I've posted over there, everything should be okay It is much better and easier to post here, since all pertinent information, answers, etc is posted in this thread. Yes sir You can run race fuel safely as well. Remember, we are using a factory ECU and adjusting the AFR, Timing, Fuel, etc. Most factory settings are retained, making a ECU Reflash VERY safe. No lose wires, no cutting, splicing, etc.

I shift at 5800-5900rpms...its pointless to go any further(for me). What I was saying is that it would be nice to use the extra 1000 rpms (to 6800rpms).

[Performance Racing]

I am getting incredible amounts of PMs now.

I will make a change here. Instead of the first 12, it will now be the first 20.

Pricing is not yet announced, but will be updated int eh first post and a reply, VERY SOON.

I will now say this. The first 20, will be cheaper than ANY PNP EMS Available. What's the cheapest PNP Mazdaspeed3 EMS? $1099 (Xede PNP) Hundreds less
MSRP on this reflash is $1000, selling for $890 overseas, but again... I am giving crazy low pricing for the initial 20 orders.
We are taking pre-orders now, please PM me anyone who is serious, and wants in on the first 20.

[Haltech]

Anyone that is considering the Cobb AP and is holding out on one needs to re-evaluate their decision.

First, Cobb is VERY conservative on what they give you.

Secondly, they keep pushing the AP release back.

Third they will not have a good enough map for people beyond a dp, cai or racepipe. Hell they didnt even release the dyno numbers.

Something to consider guys, esp those who are beyond the basic mods and need to step it up.

[ultraspeed619]

Originally Posted by Performance Racing I am getting incredible amounts of PMs now. I will make a change here. Instead of the first 12, it will now be the first 20. Pricing is not yet announced, but will be updated int eh first post and a reply, VERY SOON. I will now say this. The first 20, will be cheaper than ANY PNP EMS Available. What's the cheapest PNP Mazdaspeed3 EMS? $1099 (Xede PNP) Hundreds less MSRP on this reflash is $1000, selling for $890 overseas, but again... I am giving crazy low pricing for the initial 20 orders. We are taking pre-orders now, please PM me anyone who is serious, and wants in on the first 20.

PR,
how bout us MS6er's... The cheapest PnP ems is the Unichip thats being released sometime this week at $699. I know I haven't read through the whole thread but I am interested in this as well. I already have the PnP Standback but I'm lookin at other EMS setups.

[Performance Racing]

The Unichip is $699 as well. Finding a tuner is hard, that tuner having AWD tuning = harder. Dyno tuning time is costly for Unichip tuners, completely different (from what I was told when I was going to get my Mazda6 tuned).

We have complete control over the ECU, Unichip does not.

Like I said, our pricing will be around the same price as Unichip, and we will have many more updates, upgrades, capabilities, etc.

I've been getting PMs to take orders, I am not ignoring those PMs, but saving them for tomorrow/Wednesday when I will star to take orders. We've already got the first two MS3, MS6 orders each, and judging from the PMs received over the past hour, spaces are filling up fast. First come, first serve.

[Performance Racing]

Originally Posted by Haltech Anyone that is considering the Cobb AP and is holding out on one needs to re-evaluate their decision. First, Cobb is VERY conservative on what they give you. Secondly, they keep pushing the AP release back. Third they will not have a good enough map for people beyond a dp, cai or racepipe. Hell they didnt even release the dyno numbers. Something to consider guys, esp those who are beyond the basic mods and need to step it up.

To add to that, I have yet to see a dyno from Cobb..

[Smoker6]

Keeping an eye out on this as I'm in the market for a tuning solution.

[Laloosh]

what exactly are dadaracers graphs suppose to proove?
I dont mean to be a dick here but how can you sell this with zero proof so far. There is one dyno of a ms3 that gained 40 whp with an intake and raised boost. The powerband appears to be higher, but rumor has it their ecus are different to begin with. MY budy dynoed 246 stock and 294 with a intake and boost controller.... the power drop off sucked.

If i can simply get proof of throttle control/boost holding/and a dyno with a/f ratios on a bolted car ill pay in 5 min. Until then theres alot of speculation and hype but no real data.

[NYpest]

Excellent questions!!!

[NYpest]

Originally Posted by Performance Racing Ah, as for the max efficiency of the turbo... they too lost power at 19lbs, and got more at 18lbs..

that lean hump looks fimilar

[Performance Racing]

Dadas graphs simply show the increase in power with the addition of a CDFP.
We are swapping and tweaking the ECU file from the Mazda3 MPS to the Mazdaspeed3. I have been guaranteed it is working, and we should have datalogs, dynos, etc from a handful of those who will be amongst the first.

[Laloosh]

Originally Posted by Performance Racing Dadas graphs simply show the increase in power with the addition of a CDFP. We are swapping and tweaking the ECU file from the Mazda3 MPS to the Mazdaspeed3. I have been guaranteed it is working, and we should have datalogs, dynos, etc from a handful of those who will be amongst the first.

dada didnt gain any power with the fuel pump, if anythign he lost a couple whp.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by Laloosh dada didnt gain any power with the fuel pump, if anythign he lost a couple whp.

[Performance Racing]

As for throttle control, it is still something not available, but Piasini is aware and working on this as well.

We are not holding full boost to redline, but we are holding it higher and longer than stock.

[Laloosh]

me and dada have argued so much that we probably know each others cars just as well as our own

[Performance Racing]

I must be reading the graph wrong then...

http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...8&d=1206413601

Looking at near the end of the graph, the blue line is before the CDFP install, red and green is after. I am seeing higher numbers here..

[Laloosh]

Originally Posted by Performance Racing As for throttle control, it is still something not available, but Piasini is aware and working on this as well. We are not holding full boost to redline, but we are holding it higher and longer than stock.

any proof of this? The dashhawk proof you posted could be easily replicated with a car that has a i/tbe. Hell my car on the stock boost hits 17 and hold 16 til about 5800 then by 6500 im at 12ish

[Laloosh]

Originally Posted by Performance Racing I must be reading the graph wrong then... http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...8&d=1206413601 Looking at near the end of the graph, the blue line is before the CDFP install, red and green is after. I am seeing higher numbers here..

read the notes...each line is at a different psi...the reason some gain power at the top is becuase the car is leaned out...that has nothing to do with the pump.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by Laloosh me and dada have argued so much that we probably know each others cars just as well as our own

We were all kind of wondering when you two were going to tie the knot!

[Laloosh]

btw if i seem like an asshole....lol sory but ure going to have to deal with it. Ive asked cobb all the same question...they just choose to ignore me or answer 'we are still testing'

[Performance Racing]

It's all good, nothing wrong with trying to find answers!

Thanks to everyone for reading, and for their interests. Any questions, please post or PM me.

-Pathik

[dkohn]

Lets say I get my ECU flash from you guys and you mail it back to me and everything is all gravy. For some reason I need to reset my ECU, will your flash reset as well to factory settings and I will lose all the 40whp that I gained from your flash?

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by dkohn Lets say I get my ECU flash from you guys and you mail it back to me and everything is all gravy. For some reason I need to reset my ECU, will your flash reset as well to factory settings and I will lose all the 40whp that I gained from your flash?

Once the ECU's rom is written, it stays until you rewrite it. Think of a BIOS chip in your motherboard. Its a ROM and when you flash it, it re-writes the code. If you do a BIOS reset, the firmware is still there, but your user adjustable settings are gone.

Since the ECU wont allow you to make any user settings, resetting it does nothing other than doing a reset on it like you would your factory. The performance reset is not gone, its still there.

[dkohn]

Originally Posted by Haltech Once the ECU's rom is written, it stays until you rewrite it. Think of a BIOS chip in your motherboard. Its a ROM and when you flash it, it re-writes the code. If you do a BIOS reset, the firmware is still there, but your user adjustable settings are gone. Since the ECU wont allow you to make any user settings, resetting it does nothing other than doing a reset on it like you would your factory. The performance reset is not gone, its still there.

+1
Thanks for the quick response and also answering my question. First post on these forums.. never knew about it. Im usually at mazda3forums.com but this seems pretty chill. Again thanks.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by dkohn +1 Thanks for the quick response and also answering my question. First post on these forums.. never knew about it. Im usually at mazda3forums.com but this seems pretty chill. Again thanks.

Not a problem and you're welcome. Stop by anytime

[dkohn]

One more question. What exactly does the ECU changes to add power?

[ATE BALLER]

Will it still start the "learning curve" over after a reset like it does in stock form? Also, can it adjust things other than just the tune (seat belt chime, drivetrain characteristics, ect...)

[NYpest]

Originally Posted by ATE BALLER Will it still start the "learning curve" over after a reset like it does in stock form? Also, can it adjust things other than just the tune (seat belt chime, drivetrain characteristics, ect...)

About the the learning curve question was answered that NO it will not!

[Performance Racing]

We alter the AFR by adjusting the same parameters a Piggyback does... Fuel, Timing, etc.

I get a lot of PMs asking about using a boost controller on our reflash, the answer is yes. Our reflash will be set at 16lbs, but like the factory ECU, you can install your own EBC or MBC.