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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score This is where you (the reader) come into play; continued harassment will result in me eventually finishing this thing, which subsequently will mean no more manual MAF calibrations will be required on your part. Here's a screenshot of the pretty near finished UI; I will likely replace the "enki" picture with more options down the road, but a simple setup will suffice for now. For those that give a shit, I had gotten pretty far with the script only version, but found it to be infeasible to collate and average all the data from even a small log file using only scripting. Thus, the switch to C#, which I am pretty positive will ultimately prove successful. Feel free to use this thread to suggest features, report bugs (when I start doing betas), ask questions, or post power ballads about well hung llamas. REQUESTED FEATURES: Easier initial scaling for big MAF housings Allow for all closed or open loop operation without app shitting itself in endless loops NOW RUNNING TRIALS! I will be taking a COUPLE of samples from people (that can/will do a manual MAFCAL themselves) whom post in this thread the following information (within CODE tags; keep the tabs in there or my lazy ass will skip you): 1. Current MAF calibration 2. Current WOT AFR targets 3. Accelerator pedal open loop transition 4. Load open loop transition 5. Rev limit 6. The log file 7. Your manually created MAF calibration (for me to compare) Note that the log file needs at least the following columns within it or it will not work at all (extra data doesn't matter, but fewer extra columns results in better data resolution and thus, higher accuracy): Accel. Pedal Pos. (%) Actual AFR (AFR) Boost (PSI) Calculated Load (Load) Long Term FT (%) MAF Voltage (V) RPM (RPM) Short Term FT (%) Wastegate Duty (%) Order of these columns within the log file does not matter. Also, please have everything in one post so I can go back to it later for further testing.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score ive been comtemplating trying to code something like this since i started visual basic class, we just havent learned how to process large amounts of data like that yet lol
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score Well in order to do it accurately (which is kind of a given) you need to go by .01 volts on the MAF scale; this means interpolating a FUCKLOAD of data if your dataset is small, or estimating (which is what generally is done on manual MAFCals). What I was about to do in script is create a 500 row by 4 column table for the end result data...This didn't include the datasets where I take each individual .01 volt increment worth of data from the log and average it, remove outliers, classify as OL/CL, etc before dumping it into the table proper. Basically, I gave up on the scripted portion after running through a simulated processing path in my head and figuring out that my computer would shit ram all over the place and bring a single thread to its knees trying to get through even a smallish log. At least this way, I can use linq or at worst load the log into an (embedded) SQL backend for query rather than having to pre-sort before manipulation. TLDR: Old code would result in this: Also, I am a huge nerd.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Let me know if you need any help on this. Probably don't have the time to code it, but questions or if you need a 2nd set of eyes to look it over. I was looking to work on something like this (and other auto tune stuff) with me standback software I wrote.
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MAF Values ([0-9]+\.[0-9][0-9][\t]){128,}?[0-9]+[\.][0-9][0-9] WOT AFR Values ([0-9][0-9]\.[0-9][0-9][0-9][\t]){13,}?[0-9][0-9][\.][0-9][0-9][0-9]
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As for it working, it will; at some point anyways. My biggest hurdle right now is knowledge, but I'm already up to 200 lines of UI validation and content conformance (making sure people are passing the right data to the app). I probably need to make the regex a bit more strict, and plan ahead for larger MAF housings though. As a side note, I already plan on adding wastegate integration in the future (making hitting those boost targets super easy); that will probably only be for WOT though, as running the entire table will be a pain in the ass.
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score You could still tell her you're going out to get logs for tuning/calibrating. That part still hasn't changed.
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Be careful with delays if you're using STFTs or even AFRs since during throttle transitions these can really vary. I would look for steady state throttle, then look at LTFTs, and then STFTs as well. I would average STFTs (just like the car does) in broken up regions of the MAF curve that is more granular than what the current LTFTs do.
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(Thread Starter) | Not Ranked : 0 score Well the plan is to average all but outlier data (stuff that exceeds a certain threshold of difference from the meat of the data) and use 100% of the LTFT but only 50% of STFT data (for now; thanks @phate for this idea!). I figure, if you want it more accurate, you can simply pull another log and run it back through again. The whole averaging thing means the larger and more diverse the raw log file is, the more accurate this will become; doing the short little logs isn't going to cut it as there won't be enough intelligence in the code to discern situational changes like throttle lift or roll on, etc. BTW, still making progress; currently loading logs into datatables for parsing!
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| Not Ranked : 0 score Subbed. The CL/OL transition range is always the trickiest part. You might want to incorporate some limit as to how much change between adjacent cells can occur. [I believe the derivative of the maf curve is almost linear, so you might just be able to assume this and limit it with a single value.] IF someone has a leak, you get very bumpy maf curves if you tune around it. That should NOT be done, and the curve should always stay pretty dang smooth. If the calculated correction in one area falls outside of the norm, red flags and whistles should go off, because their setup needs inspected. I foresee this tool being used (unknowingly) by folks to tune around things that should not be tuned around. Edit: start praying to the gods of internal combustion for automatically calibrating a maf curve while spraying meth.
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For now, final determination of acceptability will be on the end user; run at your own risk sort of thing. Ultimately, it shouldn't be too hard to leave calibration A as default and drop the apps output into B, and flip back and forth to determine if you want to use it or not. Your input has been taken into advisement and will be considered (if I can figure out a nice, safe way to implement it) for inclusion in a later version. Thanks for the input Phate!
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I tried out a mathematically ideal MAF curve once. Didn't work too well. Tapadatass
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| Not Ranked : 0 score It will probably be easiest if the user does a MAF cal log that has very gentle throttle inputs and that extends into WOT to cover the whole range. Have them log desired AFR as well as actual AFR along with the LTFT, STFT information.
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So far the required logged values are accel pedal position, afr, boost, calc load, both trims, maf voltage, rpm and wastegate. I thought about doing mass airflow, but it didn't seem to line up with the voltage sometimes. As a side note, hit my first big hurdle and am currently working through it.
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