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You gen 2 guys should let us know if the LC + FFS work when both enabled. I'd guess the Gen1s still have the old logic causing low timing and rich fueling issue after a normal shift with LC/FFS enabled?
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some def do have the issue

Gen 2 Cobb ATR discussion

I don't have the new genwan beta but judging from the genpu guys they still have the issue and they just got LC/FFS
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Ok dano I don't think that was it.. My car is bouncy to all hell trying to modulate light throttle


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Originally Posted by bmorrisj View Post
and what happened to the DBW tables?
I just download the latest ATR for my 07 MS6, and my DBW values look exactly like this as well. I think I'll hold off on flashing my ecu until Cobb can tell us what's going on.
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Just edit the tables and flash that bitch

Don't forget to zero out the new load error wgdc comp table.

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Maybe the "b" table is your issue. Did you correct that one. It should be for DSC active but who knows.

I'll post my B table when I am back at my PC.
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ok I really think something is wrong with reducing the doubled DBW tables.. It seems I can't quite reach boost targets and I'm only seeing 160-180 maf gs. I'm going to make a map with the double DBW and see how it runs

*edit also I'm being limited to 1.7 load


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My shit is money. GEN 1, Stage 1 mscai tih 91 bt102. Fucking money. I edited some shit though. APP tables, dbw tables, Boost tables, wgdc cut in half to start tuning. didn't touch TRL tables. Shit is money. NEW COBB atr beta is money. FTW.
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Originally Posted by bmorrisj View Post
ok I really think something is wrong with reducing the doubled DBW tables.. It seems I can't quite reach boost targets and I'm only seeing 160-180 maf gs. I'm going to make a map with the double DBW and see how it runs

*edit also I'm being limited to 1.7 load


haha Dano these are your values x2
that is messed up! Post over on Cobb's forum and see what they say..

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Another thing to look at if you guys haven't already is the IAT Comp table.. It is defaulting to 75%.
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Well I think I got it.. I put the doubled DBW tables and the car came alive. it was like when I put 100 in the cells, the ecu would only run up to 50% throttle for tables that use throttle input on the y-axis.
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Another thing to look at if you guys haven't already is the IAT Comp table.. It is defaulting to 75%.
Are you talking about the Wastegate Tables: WG Duty - IAT Comp. table?

That one looks normal on mine:

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Originally Posted by SJP0tato View Post
Are you talking about the Wastegate Tables: WG Duty - IAT Comp. table?

That one looks normal on mine:

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0.99	0.99	0.99	0.99	0.99	1.05	1.12	1.20
Unless I'm completely confused, those are the factory settings. The latest ots maps are significantly different, rolling off WG as temp increases (which only makes sense, especially with more boost.)

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-40.00	-4.00	32.00	68.00	104.00	140.00	176.00	212.00
0.80	0.90	0.95	1.00	1.00	0.98	0.95	0.92
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I have what fjames has. not altered by the new ATR.
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I also wasn't using an OTS tune. This is why i said check that mofo....
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these new WGA error options are sweet.. with 0 load error the ecu isnt trying to hit 15psi when im barely touching the gas. actually my boost gauge is showing more vacuum while cruising and light acceleration.

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this is just 3rd gear, i need to squash that early KR blip
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Looks like boost tuning is the way to go now...I'll need some help from you experts since i'm new to the AP .
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Originally Posted by manelscout4life View Post
When getting out of my car tonight I did notice the rad fan turn on. And that's with a map from the previous ATR
Just going back to this; my car has always done this. Our cars will pump coolant through the turbo after you shut her down and above a certain temperature, the rad fan will run. Perfectly normal.
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I finally got this loaded up and setup a new map.

What strategy are you guys using to hit your boost targets?

I setup my WGDC table with the new values, 0'd out the Load Error Comp, and used Cobb's suggested Boost Error Comp values.

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0.04	0.02	0.02	0.00	0.00	0.00	-0.02	-0.07	-0.15	-0.20	-0.25
I've got my boost targets set for 17psi, but the ecu is targeting the values for WGDC very closely, which results in a lot of underboost. Logged WGDC values are very close to the ones in the table... so are you guys just bumping the values in WGDC? Or is it better/easier to adjust the Boost Error Comp "under" values (The ones at -3.00 and -1.00) to bump up boost when it's under my targeted 17psi?

From my datalogs it looks like the ecu is using the BEC values to hold boost at target minus 4 psi. Since the error table only tells it to increase WGDC up to a value of -4 (I'm assuming interpolation at -4 is 0.01) it holds at a range of 17psi - 4psi = 13psi, which closely matches the psi reached on the datalogs.

I'm going to try bumping the WGDC values slightly, and raising the BEC values to:
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0.04	0.02	0.02	0.01	0.01	0.00	-0.02	-0.07	-0.15	-0.20	-0.25
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The new Cobb maps are setup to basically run an unaltered WGDC - the values are quite high and there's no comp until the -5 cell in BEC.

So if a person is using the ots BEC values, but with a "normal" WGDC table, it would probably underboost.

I use .03 and .10 in the first two cells of BEC (-1 and -3), with much lower WGDC values than the appropriate ots map for my car and have no problem at all. I can actually find several consecutive rows in logs where it's cycling 3% WG changes.

With the new logging resolution, and it responding so well to the newly exposed tables, it's kind of fun to play with.

If it matters, I have load error comp and rpm comp A&B zeroed, and 10 for boost high ramp limit. For me it's now officially better than load tuning. I love that you can easily set a WG upper limit - that means you can set a higher boost target than WG will allow in warm weather, but (hopefully) make your target in cooler weather. So you can tailor your boost with either WG or boost targeting, play them against each other, really fine tune an individual car.
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Has anyone had problems with the new firmware? I installed it and now I can't get my AP to read any sensor info and the screen just flashes like it's hitting limits. I uninstalled and reinstalled with no luck. I'm just going to try going back to the previous firmware.

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make sure you are loading and saving your maps using the latest ATR (then reflashing the resaved map)

old maps without new logic on newer firmware will show wild discrepancies in logging
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I've got ATR 1.8.6.0-1760 from April. Is that the latest ATR?
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I think 2276 is the latest.

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I've got ATR 1.8.6.0-1760 from April. Is that the latest ATR?
I am still on the June 30, 2011 1.8.6.0-2212 Beta, which I believe is the latest ATR release. Its big upgrade was that it incorporated the fast logging capability.
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Hmmm... OK. I'll have to request a new copy. Thanks.
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Hmmm... OK. I'll have to request a new copy. Thanks.
No, update it. The "latest" is the Beta that also had LC/FFS.
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Roger. I didn't have the BETA option checked. Updating now.
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that should resolve the logging issues.
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I'm glad I was relatively close with my BD table experimentation, although a little on the high side. It seems like Cobb's original explanation of the BD table adjusting in mm Hg (I believe) was wrong.
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So I never found a solid solution to limiting boost in 1st and 2nd gear. Has anyone figured this out yet?

I had one idea I wanted to run past people:
Instead of zeroing out the WG Duty Load Error Comp like has been suggested, what if we only zero out "0" and below. Wouldn't this cause the ECU to pull WG Duty cycles if the load is above the specified value, but if below the specified value dont do anything with load? If so, Couldn't we then change each of the "Throttle - Req Load" tables and set them to be a load cap? So in 1st gear, set the load cap to 1.5, 2nd gear 1.8, 3rd-6th 5.0 or whatever? Would the ECU then stop building boost once the load is reached or if the boost target is reached before the load (5.0 for 3rd-6th) then it would use the boost targets?

This is not as nice of a solution as just being able to set boost targets by gear, but if it works...

Just a late night thought. Let me know if this makes sense and sorry if this has been said before. Just never found a solid solution to limiting boost in 1st/2nd.
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So I never found a solid solution to limiting boost in 1st and 2nd gear. Has anyone figured this out yet?

I had one idea I wanted to run past people:
Instead of zeroing out the WG Duty Load Error Comp like has been suggested, what if we only zero out "0" and below. Wouldn't this cause the ECU to pull WG Duty cycles if the load is above the specified value, but if below the specified value dont do anything with load? If so, Couldn't we then change each of the "Throttle - Req Load" tables and set them to be a load cap? So in 1st gear, set the load cap to 1.5, 2nd gear 1.8, 3rd-6th 5.0 or whatever? Would the ECU then stop building boost once the load is reached or if the boost target is reached before the load (5.0 for 3rd-6th) then it would use the boost targets?

This is not as nice of a solution as just being able to set boost targets by gear, but if it works...

Just a late night thought. Let me know if this makes sense and sorry if this has been said before. Just never found a solid solution to limiting boost in 1st/2nd.
Adjust your APP Translation tables for 1/2nd gear to cap at ~35%.

Here is my 2nd gear:

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0.00	0.25	0.65	1.68	3.25	4.50	6.00	7.50	9.00	10.00	11.50	13.00	14.50	16.00	18.00	20.00	24.00	27.00	30.00	33.00	35.50	38.00	38.00	38.00	38.00	38.00	38.00	38.00	38.00	38.00	38.00
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but it does seem that I have heard gen2 guys having issues with trying to use APP to lower power but don't remember who it was. As 12pk said, works like a charm on gen1.

I had my 1-3 limited until I got the sticky A048s which let me have full power in 3rd again BUT then I started tweaking VVT and well, lost some traction in 3rd gear again due to decreased spool time...then went and added 3 gallons of E and all hope of traction in 3rd is gone again without APP tweaking. LOL

1-2nd gear code going to 49

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0.00	0.25	0.65	1.68	3.25	4.50	6.00	7.50	9.00	10.50	12.00	13.75	16.00	17.50	19.50	21.50	26.50	29.50	33.00	36.00	37.50	38.80	40.20	41.60	43.00	44.40	45.80	46.50	47.20	48.60	49.00
IIRC boost comp would work for 1st but not 2nd or 3rd for me. it is all covered in the beginning of this thread...Id say the first 5 pages
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I think it may be an issue of not cutting the table down enough gen1 vs gen2.

I cannot speak for the entire gen2 community, but I would think it may be a matter of us being more aggressive in cutting those tables down.
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you rash gen2 youngsters....lol

it takes some finesse to tweak APP. you don't want to start at 0 pedal because that will throw off clutch release to pedal feel too much. IIRC my scaling started around 45% pedal pos and I only translated up to 49%.
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APP worked for me to limit 1-2 gear boost, so I'm not sure what the issue may be there. Some cars may react differently, as we've seen before. IIRC, I was hitting 15,17, and 19psi in 1st-3rd respectively. 15 is still a handful in 1st, but it's better than 19.
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APP didn't work for me. I capped it at 50% for 2nd gear, and nothing happened. I was still hitting 19 psi.

However, I'm using TRL tables now and I've had great success with that.
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has anyone heard when this will be out of beta?
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it already is sir
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no shit? i guess i missed the email from cobb
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Yea I tried the APP tables already (gen1) but it didnt seem to do anything. Let me try it again with lower values.
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