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Haltech 05-19-2008 04:14 PM

Spark Plug Database - Colder Than Stock ( Stage 1&2 )
 
This is a compiled database for spark plugs who's heat range is 1 and 2 stages colder than stock. Please add your plugs and we will update this thread.

Mazdaspeed Forums Spark Plug Index Database

Gap size - 0.26 - 0.32 | Preferred gap is between 0.26 to 0.28

Type and Specs on DISI 2.3l Spark Plugs: 14mm; 5/8 hex; 25mm reach; projected tip; resistor plug

Heat Range Conversion Chart
Code:


HKS 25 30 35 40 45 50 52.5 55
DENSO 16 20 22 24 27 31 32 34
NGK 5 6 7 8 9 10 10.5 11

Spark Plug Manf & Part Numbers
  • Denso Iridium
  • itv-20 - Stock heat range
  • itv-22 - 1 stage colder heat range
  • itv-24 - 2 stage colder heat range
  • itv-27 - 3.5 stage colder heat range
  • HKS
  • 50003-M35LF *Mazda MZR Engine* ; Mazda 3, Mazda 6, MX-5 '06 7 $22.97ea. - 1 Stage Colder Heat Range
  • 50003-M40LF *Mazda MZR Engine* ; Mazda 3, Mazda 6, MX-5 '06 8 $22.97ea. - 2 Stage Colder Heat Range
  • NGK IX Iridium
  • NGK LTR7IX-11 (6510) - 1 Stage Colder Heat Range
  • NGK ILTR6A-8G (3787) - Stock Heat Range


  • Torque Master Spark Plugs
  • SVTP8BR Stock Heat Range
  • SVTP7YR 1 Stage Colder Heat Range
  • Autolite Iridium
  • Autolite Iridiums XP5364 - Stock Heatrange
  • Autolite Iridiums XP5263 - 1 Step Colder

NGK Copper Plugs

LZTR4A-11 (5306)
LZTR5A-13 (4306)
BKR7E

aaronc7 05-19-2008 04:23 PM

Heh, was about to correct you on the gap. Also perhaps we should sort them by Iridium/Platinum/Copper etc and list a link/price? Great idea though. why preferrably between .03 and .032? I jsut gapped mine to .028 dammit!!! lol

aaronc7 05-19-2008 04:25 PM

Autolite APP5364. Stock heat range as far as I can tell - Platinum - $3.99

AutoZone.com | Shopping | Parts | Product Detail - Spark Plug

Haltech 05-19-2008 04:28 PM

We want colder stage plugs please. We can find stock plug applications all day long, but this isn't why this database is being created. You also do NOT want to be running platinum plugs in boosted applications. Big NONO.. Copper or Iridium plugs only please. Thanks!

aaronc7 05-19-2008 04:32 PM

How is platinum a big no no. WRXs come with them stock

jlarson1983 05-19-2008 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 30283)
We want colder stage plugs please. We can find stock plug applications all day long, but this isn't why this database is being created. You also do NOT want to be running platinum plugs in boosted applications. Big NONO.. Copper or Iridium plugs only please. Thanks!

yeah i have always heard the same thing.

Haltech 05-19-2008 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronc7 (Post 30285)
How is platinum a big no no. WRXs come with them stock

They are junk in high boost... the electrode usually falls right off into the cylinder because they cant handle constant heat temps that boosted engines put out. Platinum work great in NA stock applications and can take day to day abuse... until you boost them.

aaronc7 05-19-2008 04:37 PM

Thanks for the info. Guess I need to change mine again, LOL. At least they were only 16 bucks. Hope we can find some copper ones in the right size.

Haltech 05-19-2008 04:39 PM

Im trying to get some copper numbers, but so far, im having no luck. Hopefully when NGK answers my email, i can get some numbers.

gsrtype1 05-19-2008 04:42 PM

sub

aaronc7 05-19-2008 04:44 PM

14mm; 5/8 hex; 25mm reach; projected tip; resistor plug.

some useful info: for those looking for a traditional NGK copper core spark plug.....

jlarson1983 05-19-2008 04:47 PM

here are the specs of the NGK LTR7IX-11 (6510)
Iridium IX Plug, 14mm Thread, 25mm (.984") Reach, 5/8" (16mm) Hex Size, Tapered Seat, Resistor, Fine Wire (0.6mm) Iridium Center Electrode, Tapered Cut Ground Electrode, .044" (1.1mm) Gap

jlarson1983 05-19-2008 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronc7 (Post 30296)
14mm; 5/8 hex; 25mm reach; projected tip; resistor plug.

some useful info: for those looking for a traditional NGK copper core spark plug.....

not the right heat range, stock is 6 colder is 7

aaronc7 05-19-2008 04:50 PM

yeah good call. i just quit at this whole spark plug thing, lol

Haltech 05-19-2008 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonkinPartsOnline.Com (Post 30297)
here are the specs of the NGK LTR7IX-11 (6510)
Iridium IX Plug, 14mm Thread, 25mm (.984") Reach, 5/8" (16mm) Hex Size, Tapered Seat, Resistor, Fine Wire (0.6mm) Iridium Center Electrode, Tapered Cut Ground Electrode, .044" (1.1mm) Gap

He should have tried the BR7 series as they are resistor plugs... I run BR7EFs in my truck, which are 2 stages colder than stock.

winniep 05-19-2008 06:54 PM

Not trying to jump off topic or anything, but would there be a greater benefit to going 2 stages colder plugs? I was gonna go colder, but haven't heard of the 2 steps colder plugs till now. I am mild to heavily (at least soon to be) modded.

Haltech 05-19-2008 06:56 PM

2 stages will make you idle a little more rough but will be fine.. You will lose a bit of power with stage 2 plugs, over stage 1, but your safety margin is greater.

aaronc7 05-19-2008 07:06 PM

If a plug is too cold, will it foul easier/faster?

Haltech 05-19-2008 07:17 PM

2 stages isnt cold enough to cause fouling. Not with 20 psi of boost.

Christian. 05-20-2008 02:21 PM

Here is some initial work. IMO, the stock plugs for the STi and EVO9 are excellent and should be used where possible. Although, I do like copper plugs due to them being less expensive. The below picture has (from left to right) the MS3 stock 6 temp range plug, a 7 temp range plug for the EVO9, and a 7 temp range plug for the STi. Unfortunately, the STi and EVO9 plugs do not seat against the head the same! Otherwise, these would be excellent stock MS3 replacements.

http://www.accessecu.com/Christian/B... for Mazda.jpg

The ILTR6A stock MS3 plug is gapped at ~.031" from the factory.
The LFR7AIX Iridium STi (one range colder than stock) plug is gapped at ~.029" from the factory.
The ILFR7H Laser Iridium EVO9 plug is gapped at ~.022" from the factory.

A few things to note, the different plug MFGs use different numbers for temperature ranges. For NGK and Denso, the higher the number the colder the plug (or the more heat the plug pulls from the combustion chamber and transfers to the head/coolant passages). Temperature ranges of 6 and 7 should be fine choices for most cars. You cannot easily adjust the gap on platinum, iridium, or laser iridium plugs without scratching off the special coatings that make these plugs so expensive...so please be careful. We should be able to find a good replacement spark plug soon, and we will have better input once we analyze the stock used plugs that are being shipped to us by customers.

Christian.

bioevolve 05-20-2008 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 30275)
This is a compiled database for spark plugs who's heat range is 1 and 2 stages colder than stock. Please add your plugs and we will update this thread.

Mazdaspeed/Cobb Forums Spark Plug Index Database

Gap size - 0.28 - 0.32 Preferably between 0.30 to 0.32
  • Denso Iridium
  • itv-20 - Stock heat range
  • itv-22 - 1 stage colder heat range
  • itv-24 - 2 stage colder heat range
  • HKS
  • 50003-M40LF *Mazda MZR Engine* ; Mazda 3, Mazda 6, MX-5 '06 8 $22.97ea. - Stock Heat Range
  • 50003-M35LF *Mazda MZR Engine* ; Mazda 3, Mazda 6, MX-5 '06 7 $22.97ea. - 1 Stage Colder Heat Range
  • NGK IX Iridium
  • NGK LTR7IX-11 (6510) - 1 Stage Colder Heat Range


I said on US (backwards) the HKS 50003-M40LF is a heat range of 8, so it's 2 step colder not stock need to edit that first post lol.

And don't forget the itv27 3 step colder (or 3.5).

Sorry off topic. I really don't like US (backwards) due to a wholesale account not getting done with them. I buy my stuff from PG now. I had $10,000 to do an initial buy from them, so now I'm spending it at PG. :laugh2: And will be coming to this forum more often also. :friday:

Haltech 05-20-2008 02:32 PM

From NGK...

Quote:

The 7 heat range is the coldest plug we currently offer with the 25mm thread reach.
As time goes on I am sure NGK will release even colder versions of these plugs (possibly even racing versions) and plugs that will have a smaller gap to better match these turbo applications.
He also adds:

Quote:

While this plug is dimensionally correct I would not suggest using the
LTR7IX-11 for this application as the gap setting is too large (factory set to .044"). You do not want to gap any plug more than .008" from where it is factory set, as more than this and the inner surfaces between the electrodes will not be parallel and can cause the plug to misfire and wear out very quickly (iridium plugs seem to be very sensitive to this gap adjustment range especially under boost).


bioevolve 05-20-2008 02:52 PM

So .036 reduction is the least safest with iridium.
Copper would be best then, as said before lol.

aaronc7 05-20-2008 03:44 PM

Anyone know what the Denso itv-20/22/24s are gapped at?

bioevolve 05-20-2008 05:35 PM

itv20 1.1mm or .044 can gap down to .036
itv22 0.8mm or .032 can gap down to .024
itv24 0.8mm or .032 can gap down to .024
itv27 0.8mm or .032 can gap down to .024

aaronc7 05-20-2008 05:39 PM

Awesome, looks like the ITV 22/24/27 will work great for us

whoosh@Realtune 05-20-2008 10:07 PM

Heat Range Conversion Chart
HKS 25 30 35 40 45 50 52.5 55
DENSO 16 20 22 24 27 31 32 34
NGK 5 6 7 8 9 10 10.5 11

* Above information is just for reference

Haltech 05-21-2008 12:45 AM

What heat range is the 27? 3 stage colder or 4?

bioevolve 05-21-2008 03:30 PM

I'm guessing 3.5, since they are increamenting 2 numbers per 1 heat range number.

bioevolve 05-24-2008 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 30275)
  • HKS
  • 50003-M40LF *Mazda MZR Engine* ; Mazda 3, Mazda 6, MX-5 '06 7 $22.97ea. - 1 Stage Colder Heat Range
  • 50003-M35LF *Mazda MZR Engine* ; Mazda 3, Mazda 6, MX-5 '06 8 $22.97ea. - 2 Stage Colder Heat Range

This still needs to be fixed!!!

M35LF is 7 heat range - 1 step colder
M40LF is 8 heat range - 2 step colder

Haltech 05-24-2008 12:19 PM

fixed

PDXImportRacer 06-06-2008 10:03 PM

Do we have any answers as too which are the best plugs to run when upping the boost?

aaronc7 06-07-2008 12:43 AM

denso itv22 recommended by me!

Haltech 06-07-2008 11:50 AM

Denso hands down.

aaronc7 01-05-2009 12:59 AM

at what point do you all think 2 steps colder should be used?

Haltech 01-05-2009 02:23 AM

Bump

gsrtype1 01-05-2009 10:17 AM

I like my ste2 colder, I had requested 1 step colder but got 2 step does this cost power? Car runs great, but am I losing a tad of power with the 24 vs 22?

Speedie6 01-16-2009 09:00 PM

sub

sbspeed 01-17-2009 04:58 PM

any sources on the Denso Iridium itv-24 - 2 stage colder heat range plugs?

haven't had much luck locally

18psiWhiteMS3 01-26-2009 03:01 PM

what step colder would i want for this setup

1.Cobb inlet
2.cobb SRI
3.Cobb Turboback exhaust
4.SU TMIC
5.denso ??????????
6.hks bpv
7.cpe HPFP
8.cpe standback


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