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The Motor Mount Thread *****Thank you to @Inquisitive; for a 2015 update!****** This thread will be for discussion of motor mounts for the MS3 & MS6. All currently available mounts are listed, relative prices, & links where they can be purchased. Note: you may be able to find them for sale elsewhere, possibly for cheaper. I simply linked them to their own company's site. If you have any questions regarding mounts, want to know which duro is best for you, etc, read thru this thread first! IF and ONLY IF it has not been answered already in this thread, post your new question in this thread. Do NOT create a new one. Most of these if you buy brand new will come with installation instructions, but if you buy used and can't figure it out, or simply want to plan ahead, How-To's may be found in here: MS3 How-To Database MS6 How-To Database One of the first mods almost everybody does is the Rear Motor Mount (RMM). As well you should. The factory bushings are mediocre and allow too much movement. There is a small amount of drivetrain slop and shifting may feel a bit notchy. Upgrading the RMM stiffens up the drivetrain slop quite a bit allowing for smoother shifting for one. The Passenger Side Motor Mount (PMM) & Transmission Mount (TM) are mediocre and are big eye sores to boot. Upgrading the mounts allows for much better shifting response and handling as the engine isn't rocking or being tossed around in the bay, but it comes at the expense of some NVH. Vibrations are felt at idle, tho this can be remedied by raising idle RPM if you have an AP. Vibrations often lessen after several months/several hundred miles of breaking in. Genpu MMs: • JBR RMM 88 & unknown durometer • CP-E RMM Stage 2 • JBR TMM unknown • CorkSport RMM • JBR PMM unknown • JBR RMM 80 • Sure RMM TorqR3 WARNING: read http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...3/#post1927730 • JBR PMM 80 • JBR RMM 70 • Cobb RMM • CorkSport TMM • Damond Motorsports RMM • JBR PMM 70 & 88 • CP-E TMM • TRZ RMM • CorkSport PMM • Street Unit RMM WARNING: read http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...3/#post1927730 • Ford Electric Focus RMM (RMM part number CM5Z-6068-A; bolt W500545S900) • Minerva PMM & TMM (probably best to avoid, see http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...orwerkz-65851/ ) • Sure PMM & TMM WARNING: read http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...3/#post1927730 • AWR RMM 88 • Torque Solution RMM • Turbine Tech Front Engine Mount • Turbine Tech Differential Mount Update using 2015 prices: JBR RMM Urethane MS6 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422448444 MS3 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422595395 Available from: MS6 JBR RMM Urethane MS6 MS3 JBR RMM Urethane MS3 MS6 (Yes: 80a $105), MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 88a $100, 80a $125, 70a $125), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 88a $100, 80a $125, 70a $125) CP-E RMM Stage 2 Rubber MS6 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422506769 MS3 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422528447 Available from: MS6 CP-E RMM Stage 2 Rubber MS6 MS3 CP-E RMM Stage 2 Rubber MS3 MS6 (Yes: 70a xFlex) $139, MS3 1st Gen (Not found), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $198 JBR TMM Urethane MS6 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422448506 MS3 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422947089 Available from: MS6 JBR TMM Urethane MS6 MS3 JBR TMM Urethane MS3 MS6 (Yes: 80a, 70a) $175, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 88a, 80a, 70a) $185, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 88a, 80a, 70a) $185 CorkSport RMM Urethane MS6's Insert http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422448647 MS6's Full Replacement http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422448738 MS3's Insert http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422507038 MS3's Full Replacement http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422507092 MS3's Race http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422507132 Available from: MS6 CorkSport RMM Urethane MS6 MS3 CorkSport RMM Urethane MS3 Gen1 CorkSport RMM Urethane MS3 Gen2 MS6 (Yes, Standard 70a) $115.99, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: Insert 70a $39.99, Standard 80a $99.99, Race 80a $125.99), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: Insert 70a $39.99, Standard 80a $99.99, Race 80a $125.99) JBR PMM Urethane MS6 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422753917 MS3 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422528515 Available from: MS6 JBR PMM Urethane MS6 MS3 JBR PMM Urethane MS3 MS6 (Yes: 80a, 70a) $175, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 80a, 70a) $185, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 80a, 70a) $185 Cobb RMM http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422528569 Available from: Cobb RMM MS3 MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes) $159, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $159 CorkSport TMM Insert Polyurethane MS6 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422528621 MS3 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422357283 Available from: MS6 CorkSport TMM Insert Polyurethane MS6 MS3 CorkSport TMM Insert Polyurethane MS3 MS6 (Yes) $54.99, MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $39.99 Damond Motorsports RMM http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422357478 Available from: Damond Motorsports RMM MS3 MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $145 in black or gold mount and black or red bushing CP-E TMM http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422528720 Available from: CP-E TMM MS3 MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes, 75a) $271.30, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes, 75a) $271.30 TRZ RMM http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422528773 Available from: TRZ RMM MS3 MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $100 CorkSport PMM http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422357543 Available from: CorkSport PMM MS3 MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $229.99 Ford Electric Focus RMM (RMM part number CM5Z-6068-A; bolt W500545S900) http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422448355 Available from: local Ford dealership MS6 (Not confirmed), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $43.92 + $1.10 AWR RMM Urethane MS6 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422754244 MS3 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422528845 Available from: MS6 AWR RMM Urethane MS6 MS3 AWR RMM Urethane MS3 MS6 (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $82, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $95, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $95 AWR PMM Urethane MS6 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422529392 MS3 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422529447 Available from: MS6 AWR PMM Urethane MS6 MS3 AWR PMM Urethane MS3 MS6 (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $172, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $172, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $172 AWR TMM Urethane MS6 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422529506 MS3 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422529551 Available from: MS6 AWR TMM Urethane MS6 MS3 AWR TMM Urethane MS3 MS6 (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $140, MS3 1st Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $225, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes: 95a, 80a, 70a) $225 Torque Solution RMM Polyurethane http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422530287 Available from: Torque Solution RMM Polyurethane MS3 MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes, 75a) $134.99, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes, 75a) $134.99 TRZ TMM http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422529912 Available from: TRZ TMM MS3 MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $100 Damond Motorsports PMM http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1422754716 Available from: Damond Motorsports PMM MS3 MS6 (Not found), MS3 1st Gen (Yes), MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $225 in black or gold mount and black or red bushing Turbine Tech Front Engine Mount MS6 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1423567923 MS3 Gen 1 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1423567980 MS3 Gen 2 http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1423568024 Available from: MS6 Turbine Tech Front Engine Mount MS6 MS3 Gen 1 Turbine Tech Front Engine Mount MS3 Gen 1 MS3 Gen 2 Turbine Tech Front Engine Mount MS3 Gen 2 MS6 (Yes) $359, MS3 1st Gen (Yes) $399, MS3 2nd Gen (Yes) $379 Turbine Tech Differential Mount http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...1&d=1423568073 Available from: Turbine Tech Differential Mount MS6 MS6 (Yes) $289, MS3 1st Gen (Not found), MS3 2nd Gen (Not found) |
Will tidy it up tomorrow. I may add the diff mounts for the MS6 later, but I already made a diff mount thread too. If anybody knows of any mounts I left out or any recommendations/suggestions let me know. Any grammar Nazis speak up too. But for now, here you go. |
Badass! Nice work! Corksport has rmm inserts for ms3. CORKSPORT Rear Motor Mount Insert For Mazdaspeed 3 |
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Nice job Rhoad! Didn't see the RMM that I have installed- the StreetUnit original- MAZDASPEED 6 Motor Mount http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn....SUM6ADMM-2.jpg |
Tt makes a front engine mount for the gen one ms3. |
I haz vibezzzzzzzzz |
Updated. I added a bit of general info on upgrading the mounts to the OP. I'd like to get some discussion going on their reviews of the mounts. How was install? How is NVH now? How is NVH after the mount has been broken in? How much of an improvement was the mount/mounts to you? It's great to have all the available mounts listed, but newbs are still gonna be asking "Which one is best?" etc. Let's get some feedback going so we don't have to keep seeing new Mount Threads popping up. |
I would add a sidenote about using red loctite for the CPE trans mount, in case anyone buys a used one without instructions. Avoid that whole fiasco again. Any info on engine dampers (NRG, Ignalls, etc)? As far as reviews, I have the original Street Unit RMM. After 1000 miles it was broken in and never really vibrated too much even from day one. Edit: The TRZ MS3 rmm is available in two bushings - poly (street) and delrin (track). Also, if you run a Turbine Tech MS3 front mount, you probably won't be able to fit a FMIC. |
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If anyone can snag the Turbine Tech products for a good price, do it. They are top quality so you get what you pay for. I have the front engine mount for the MS6, and now my engine and I are one. Shift thump, gone. |
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I have cs Rmm inserts and they work pretty good. Basically no additional vibes. I also just purchased a jbr 80 duro and took it out after 150 miles. A little too harsh for my taste and DD. Might through it back in and try breaking it some to see, but for now the cs inserts it is. Tappin |
There's a MS6 thing mixed in with the MS3 stuff. |
@Mizzle It's gotta be a mixed up link cause everything else is good, no? Which link was screwy? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I was a retard last night. Def looked right over that. The bushings fit the MS6 too, but I changed the link to read MS3 instead of MS6. |
getting the RMM finally for my MS6. cannot decide whether to get 70 or 88 Duro for the AWR RMM. I'd like effectiveness, but without rattling my teeth out. |
reference point- stock rmm duro is about -10 (yes, minus ten) used bubble gum would work better. based on your selections and criteria, get the 70. -however- if you drive like an animal (LC & FFS, drag or autocross), and you can raise your idle a bit (if you haven't already), get the 88. |
gold star! go trz if you're okay with vibes. the ladies will thank you. |
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Yeah my idle is raised a fuck-ton to try and combat smoking.... doesn't really help but i like the idle anyways. |
sounds like time for the bnoon bolt. when I was running the oem dp I consistently whined about not wanting to take a chance on starving the turbo of oil. Amazing how going catless and becoming the city mosquito fogging service can changes your perceptions and attitudes on such things...... some due diligence later, i was unable to find any reports of oil starvation, or any damage for that matter, as a result of using the bolt. Indeed, I learned that the specs bnoon uses are considered to be standard for many turbos. After installing the bolt, I've been able to drop my idle to 850 and still have about 98% of my smoking issue resolved. I am a fan, and encourage it's use when needed. |
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Also, I don't know anything about the engine dampers you speak of. I can haz infoes pleeze? |
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The only thing I really know about ETD's is that they are usually only compatible with stock passenger mounts. Here is a link to one on Street Unit: Stiffy ETD, 2004-09 Mazda 3 & Mazdaspeed3 |
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Has an IRL person ever bought one for the MS3?? If we find one person who has I'll add it to the OP. Until then I won't worry about it. I've never even heard of it and I've been around the DISI forums for 5 years now. If someone really wants it there tho, let me know. I'll put it in OP. |
Guess I neeed to hit up the gym...I could not get the three bolts off to install my CP-e RMM yesterday. I may have torn my nut sakz. |
Air tools are so much win. Took forever installing the RMM on my MS3, the 3 bolts had 332545342 lbs of torque at the factory. In installing a RMM on an MS3 the other day, impact gun bussed them off in .23 seconds. Take it to a mechanic, pay $10 for it to go up on a lift and have them removed with impact, then torqued to 70 lbs, or just have them install the mount, using blue loctite on the bolt threads at reinstall. |
^ Since I am a Army Civilian I can go over to the Ft. Myer Auto Shop...$6/hr for lift and all tools you need. I put coilovers on my old Saabaru for $12 :32: |
Damn I would KILL to have a good shop around here that rents lifts/tools. I've got the tools but I need a lift so bad. Would make my build a million times easier. But every shop I've asked won't rent lifts for liability/insurance reasons. But damn they'd make a killing off myself alone if they did. |
Ft. Myer is a Army base here in Arlington, VA. I work for the Army as a civilian so I have access to the base's auto shop. |
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Also, i bought the AWR RMM. You HAVE to cut off those stupid prongs. I tried bending them away and that resulted in a ton of fail. (one of the ends of the prongs are welded on.) Pulled out my multi-tool and cut the metal away in less time than it took to debate whether or not to keep bending/prying vs cutting. That metal is relatively soft. Once that was put in, put everything back up and drove it down the road. LOVED it. soooo smooth. and NVH was NOTHING. I mean, the tiny ass amount of vibes was so little. I am really disappointed that people were telling me to go softer. too soft. Seriously, pussy. Now that i put 60 miles on it, i barely feel it anymore and i kinda wish i went with a higher durometer count than that... :( As far as the mount itself, if you really feel that you dont care (and have the means) about cutting the prong-things at the frame and would like to save a few bucks, go the AWR mount route. get a higher durometer count. 88 is really just minimum you should go at all. i would love to jump up to 95 DM :( Other than that, go the sure/cpe/SU RMM route... it's brain-dead easy. |
@RhoadBlock you forgot to add the Torque Solution RMM, they are coming with the other mounts too. Love my TS. can be bought through MAPerformance |
Any feedback on J Barone TMM??? |
get used to gear noise with the JBR TMM, and plastic vibes from the JBR PMM |
Shit, my TRZ dogbone has the plastic vibrating already and after ~8k miles it's still annoying. What duro JBR TMM/PMM did you go with? I'm thinking of doing 70 for the TMM/PMM and replacing the TRZ with the JBR dogbone... |
Useful RMM search results and RMM location video I spent 1 hour last night and 3 hours today reading about RMM since I've only modified my MS3 with gauges, wheels, and yellow fog lights. For those considering the job - a simple vid showing where and what needs to be unbolted: Here's the best post I could find (IMHO): http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...85/#post587431 And all these conversations were damn useful: http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...install-42087/ http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...stalled-20878/ http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...r-mount-62085/ http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...unt-mod-62267/ http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...d-i-get-55409/ http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...bushing-51562/ http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...m-stock-50837/ http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...inserts-49284/ http://www.mazdaspeedforum.org/forum/foru...p-first-21818/ My summary of all that great MSF feedback?
There, I hope I just saved all future MS3 noobs like me 4 hours of their life. It helped me make up my mind... Update from June 2012.... I've got over 1000 miles on the CP-E 75 durometer and the vibes are nothing to think about. I don't notice them much anymore unless I use my AC. Raising idle to 1000 RPM would completely remove them. That said, vibes or no vibes, the mod is amazing. the car scoots and stays planted. I'm now able to spin the tires at will and can now feather the throttle to get the acceleration I want and even when shifting into 3rd (though I have no-season tires on, so take that FWIW). The differential is working more now and acceleration through turns is amazingly improved. I still remain shocked at how cool (and cheap) a mod this is. A MUST DO MOD! 5 |
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