Monotune High Flow DI Injectors

[breakfstincluded]

mountune High Flow Di Injector upgrade set Focus ST 2.0L EcoBoost



Didn't find anything when I searched MSF, I thought I would hear about it if the FST got injector upgrades.

Looks very different.

No compatible? :C

[Lex]

Definitely not. These are ecoboost only and are 20% bigger. Probably come from one of the larger motors.

[breakfstincluded]

Didn't think so, a buddy was telling me about FSwerks making bigger injectors for his FST, I told him that would be big news to me. Nothin on that site but PI Injectors.

He linked me this, its obscurity gave me doubts.

On the other hand this subforum broke its cherry.

Pic of a stock injector if anyone is curious

http://www.focusst.org/forum/focus-s...ed-st2-17.html

[HawkeyeGeoff]

God I wish we had bigger injectors it would make life so much easier

[Mike@Stratified]

I nearly stained my pants when I saw the subject of this thread. Then I saw what forum is was in.

[HawkeyeGeoff]

I wonder if any VW applications would work....though im pretty sure this has been done. Fuck corksport should just do these next fuck the fuel pump internals. Theyd sell like ht cakes!


Sent while granny shiftin' and not double clutching like I should

[Matrix311]

Agreed someone should focus on these as they certainly would sell like hot cakes.

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[802MS3]

uh you guys hear of the 5th port? cheaper than buying 4 brand-new, low-market DI injectors for sure.

[hatchedspeed3]

Originally Posted by Mike@Stratified I nearly stained my pants when I saw the subject of this thread. Then I saw what forum is was in.

^^^^^^+1. fingers still crossed

[Lex]

Mazda's injectors are unfortunately not similar to a lot of the other Bosch injectors everyone is using. I am not sure if we'll ever see upgrades especially as additional injector setups become the norm and have some advantages in terms of valve cleaning and price of the injectors themselves. Adding 20% more flow to our current injectors would still not satisfy the big power guys.

[Tomas]

If I were Alex I'd be planning on making plug and play MS for the CP-e IMs

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Tomas If I were Alex I'd be planning on making plug and play MS for the CP-e IMs

Alex has an even better idea

[HawkeyeGeoff]

Originally Posted by Lex Alex has an even better idea

Fuck it lets everyone just go to port injected.


Sent while granny shiftin' and not double clutching like I should

[ABolewski]

Flame suit on. What is a plug and play MS…?

[Badinfluence]

"put and LS1 in it"

[Lex]

Originally Posted by ABolewski Flame suit on. What is a plug and play MS…?

Megasquirt standalone engine management system.

[ABolewski]

There's something I can search and read about. MS was kind of broad. Lol

[Scribbles]

Originally Posted by Lex Alex has an even better idea

Like pound a case of Stellas and sing Canadian classics?

[breakfstincluded]

Hmm... about tuning solutions...

don't know what to make of those guys, they seem to sell a lot of SURE parts too but TotalMps posted something on fb

" Prototype s8 for mps to come early 2014 full table access + more take a look "

Syvecs R35 GTR Demo - YouTube

Syvecs R35 GTR Demo - YouTube

[Lex]

Seems like a replacement ECU. Their work on the GTR and 911 is impressive. If they pull off a good integration on the MS cars it will be very nice for the big power people and it won't be cheap. Probably at least in the 2.5k range by the time it's imported to the US.

[Tokay444]

someone send me a bunch of injectors, and i'll see if i can't develop a way to integrate them into our head.

[Easter Bunny]

I believe the issue is more electronic as in the signal our ecu sends to fire the injector is totally different to othe di platforms.

[skiptowncat]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 someone send me a bunch of injectors, and i'll see if i can't develop a way to integrate them into our head.

Gunther at totalmps already has injectors to fit our cars, just no way of controlling them. We were talking about it last summer, apparently they work at a pressure that the ecu just wouldn't be able to read (or something along thjose lines). He did say there was a solution being worked on, this may be it.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by skiptowncat Gunther at totalmps already has injectors to fit our cars, just no way of controlling them. We were talking about it last summer, apparently they work at a pressure that the ecu just wouldn't be able to read (or something along thjose lines). He did say there was a solution being worked on, this may be it.

More info on this please. If it's an electronic issue it can easily be addressed.

[Koke382]

Yea dont tease us more info plz lol

[skiptowncat]

Originally Posted by Lex More info on this please. If it's an electronic issue it can easily be addressed.

Go on mpsoc and drop him a pm, don't be confused about his piss poor spelling, he's not really stupid.
From what I can gather, the ecu would need a total re-write just to be able to register the pressure they would work at, kind of like how a dashhawk will only read 22.5 psi maximum. I doubt he'll come on here after the rough ride he got over the sure injector seals thread.

[HawkeyeGeoff]

Please god, let my car get laid this year.....with new big ass injectors.

[Tokay444]

The dashhawk can only display 22.5 psi, because the factory map sensor only reads to 22.5 psi. Now, that's not to say it will read higher with another map, but I would assume it would.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 The dashhawk can only display 22.5 psi, because the factory map sensor only reads to 22.5 psi. Now, that's not to say it will read higher with another map, but I would assume it would.

Actually the parameter is limited to 255kpa by the data type being used. So the map sensor you use doesn't change this. In order for cobb to display above this range with a 3bar map sensor they are using another parameter (sensor voltage) and applying the conversion to this.

[Tokay444]

I see. I just noticed that on your Facebook, but thanks for the more in depth explanation.

[Turbo_Steve]

Originally Posted by Matrix311 Agreed someone should focus on these as they certainly would sell like hot cakes. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

I have found info from others who say they were working on an upgraded injector set for us. 20-30% more flow.

But nobody posted any more info after testing them which led me to believe there were issues.

high flow MZR DISI injectors w/pics

MazdaSpeed MZR people, how much fuel would you want?

[Enki]

Originally Posted by Turbo_Steve high flow MZR DISI injectors w/pics

These are the only set of higher flowing DI injectors that have been made from existing stock ones. If memory serves, the company that did them said they wouldn't do any more due to how much work is involved. Someone else has them now.

Originally Posted by Turbo_Steve MazdaSpeed MZR people, how much fuel would you want?

Don't trust anything PTP/HPFPUpgrade says. He's got a reputation around these parts that he's not afraid to live up to.

[Badinfluence]

If it is a sensor issue, couldn't you put a little PIC inbetween the ECU and sensor so scale the % with stock tuning or using the stock parameters?

[Enki]

You'd have to do that based off of injector flow data, which we don't currently have (yet).

Basically we would have to map two injectors, one stock and one aftermarket and use maths to figure out what pressure each one flows the same at, then probably remap the hpfp tables to target the correct pressures then use the controller to interpolate the commanded with actual pressure. It would be a bit of a nightmare to get right.

[Badinfluence]

Wish I had the capability to do that, it sounds like engineering fun to me.

[Total mps]

i know this is old but we progressed quite a bit from that last post

the stock speed injectors cant be modified very well with out f up the spray pattern

the reason being if you look at the eco boost injectors they have a multi hole gause on end of the nozzle and the injector needle sits behind it . on the speed injector the needle sits right bang on the end of the nozzle making in impossible to modify for extra flow

as the the bosch units perfect to modify with out screwing the needle , these range of injectors is what we working on + some of the skyactive range of units these are on testing stage at the moment with a new ecu as listed above


a range of retro fit di injectors will be available once testing is complete , this will be done on joint total-syvecs ecu for the speed as we have full table control + extra aux inputs at the moment the units price is quite high at $4000 once complete we will get a condensed pnp units which will come at a lower price


which will be more affordable by everyone

current state of this is bench test engine runs wich is a success

in a couple of weeks this will be fitted into chassis piggy backed to original ecu so we can have all other electronics working ie dash tc etc

once this has been completed can bus will be in programed to ecu to control all existing ecu body control modules. once that is done. original ecu can be trashed and plug and play unit will be finalized


this will revolutionize mazdaspeed ecu control to next level with no limits

1st we will be testing current range of di injectr for retro fit and modification to find limits of the current pump

we will have spare 6 aux channels thse can be used for other aps like aux fueling fully sequential and integrated into one unit

you want to scrap maf no problem you want to replace any sensor on the car no problem at all user will have full control of every senor on there engine

[Enki]

Current limits of the pump can be easily extrapolated using lobe measurement combined with piston width and a little bit of math.