Damond Motorsports MS3 PMM

[Farhan@DM]

Originally Posted by specvspeedfreak @Nano91; will be installing these tomorrow. Not sure if live pics have been posted yet but here it is.Attachment 184573

That pic doesn't do the gold justice. I'm jealous I can't run it on my car. Guess we'll just have to make more 6 parts and anodize them gold.

[Nano91]

That was shot with my phone will take pics with go pro

[neganox]

I want one right meow.

[Nano91]

Mount is installed and boy o boy, this mount is the awesome!
I've read and heard that pmm give unbearable vibes, but I can barely see a difference after installing.
Let's begin, first the mount looks awesome wasn't able to pick out my colors as I was last, but matt said it's TITS I said ship it to me.
Wow will post pics later.
Gold and black looks awesome.
On my car I only had DM RMM now that one has its vibes that were rough, after installing the mount these vibes from RMM have actually gone down instead of worse
I do get small vibration on my side mirrors at 1.5k RPMS bit while driving it doesn't shake anymore, I do notice minor vib. On my rear view mirror at moments but nothing that is annoying, I can still make cars out and see pretty much clearly. That's all I have to say I have told matt a few things that might help with installing since mount seems to be slightly off when bolting down but nothing alarming real minor. Will post review just heads up for those who are wondering pics coming in over weekend weather sucks right now

[aackthpt]

Originally Posted by specvspeedfreak Attachment 184573

Holy crap that is sexy. Though I hope I can get it in black anodized, and have bushing choices, like the RMM.

[goHAMM]

I'll just post here.

Got the DM PMM installed today, and I'm impressed. After riding in a car with the JBR trilogy, I was pretty set on just sticking with the OEM PMM, because it was an instant headache. After getting this guy in, the noise was a bit more noticeable, but the vibes didn't really increase. My rearview mirror is never clear anymore, but that might get better after it breaks in. I love the look of the piece, and it was pretty easy to install using the jack to support the motor. I currently have the CS race RMM 70d, but will be going to DM's RMM, since the reviews on the combo are great. Very happy with the piece, functionally and aesthetically. The motor is locked in and shifts are even tighter .

[Matt@DamondMotorsports]

Originally Posted by aackthpt Holy crap that is sexy. Though I hope I can get it in black anodized, and have bushing choices, like the RMM.

yup: DM PMM interest list

[macdiesel]

BSD feedback yet?


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[aackthpt]

Originally Posted by Matt@DamondMotorsports yup: DM PMM interest list

...matt damond.

[mrmonk7663]

I'll have BSD feedback for everyone next week.

Mike

Originally Posted by macdiesel BSD feedback yet? Sent from my iPhone using sausage fingers

[mrmonk7663]

What are the torque specs for the 2 side bolts and the 1 bushing bolt? Need them fairly quickly if possible. Thanks.

[Nano91]

35-40 lb.

[mrmonk7663]

That is quick enough haha. Thanks bud.

[Nano91]

Tapatalk for the Win

[mrmonk7663]

Ok folks, I installed the DMM PMM today. I will do my best to give a fair and honest review for all mounts discussed herein. My car for this test was using a stock TMM with CS insert, and CPe stage 2 RMM. My car has the BALANCE SHAFT DELETED

I was shipped a prototype mount from DMM, so no pretty colors or anything like that. Install took about 20 minutes. I installed by loosely attaching the bushing to the base. I then installed the base to the car and the bushing to the timing cover, and finally tightened the bushing bolts.

At idle, the car was slightly louder than before, but vibrations were minimal. Rear view mirror was fully functional at idle.

From 1400 to about 2100 rpms the in cabin noised increased quite a bit, and the vibrations did as well. The dash began to vibrate, along with the rear view mirror. Transmission noise was increased as well. By around 3000 rpms, crusing, the vibrations subsided and there was just a little bit of increased cabin noise.

The mount itself, has some issues that I think should be addressed. It is possible they have been addressed already, but not on the mount I was shipped. The bushing itself did not sit flush with the bushing housing. There were air gaps, and the gaps were unequal. One side of the bushing was flush with the metal bolt guide, while the other side of the bushing had a descent amount of exposed metal. In my opinion, both sides should be flushed, so that the bushing is able to do its job. Pics are at the end to illustrate what I am talking about.

Items 1-5 below are in order of comfort/least vibration/resonance

1. Stock PMM, modified with inserts to take up the slop, stock tmm with CS insert, CPe stage 2 rmm-This setup is great for BSD cars. Things are tight, but there is still some flex, though not as much as an unmodded stock PMM. Dash doesn't vibrate and neither do mirrors. Cabin noise from engine really isn't there...I hear my exhaust and can hear my radio clear.

2. DMM PMM, stock TMM with cs insert, CPe stage 2 rmm-Increased cabin noise and vibration, mainly of the dash, present at certain rpms and on decel.

3. CPE Trilogy- CPe mounts tend to do better when they are run in a set in my experience. Vibrations when cold were unacceptable. Dash resonated so much that I got tired of it. It was not violent vibration, just annoying. There was some small steering wheel vibration as well, along with rear view mirror. Over 3k rpms it got better.

4 CPe Stage 2 rmm, stock tmm with CS insert, and CPe PMM- This combo I did not care for. Vibrations and resonation was aggravating.

5. JBR Trilogy, hardest durometer. This combination, while it held things nice and tight, vibrated like crazy. My steering wheel moved so much you could probably take a ruler and measure the movement. The car was not fun to drive, and the steering wheel movement made me ditch the combination.

6. Corksport PMM, stock tmm with cs insert, CPe stage 2 RMM-This combination sucked. The corksport PMM introduced so much resonation and vibration I took the mount off the car within a day of driving on it. The bushings are sub par, and disintegrated. Perhaps it plays better with a car that has the BSD intact, I don't know.

All of the above combinations kept the engine tight and secure, and offered better shifting. I believe that the DMM mount has great potential, as it vibrated less than any of the other setups I had (except for the stock PMM setup obviously). That being said, the issues I brought up earlier definitely need to be addressed. It is possible that by simply having the bushing insert the correct length would further improve upon this review. I also believe that a mount with perhaps 10-15 points lower durometer would benefit a BSD car while still providing a firmly planted setup.

If the time comes when I need an upgraded PMM, based upon everything contained herein, I will be using the DMM mount. I hope this review helps you all. It is as unbiased as possible. I received no incentive from Matt or Farhan to write this review, no payment, no free stuff, etc. I agreed to do the review as I have had so many different combinations and my car has the BSD. That being said, I appreciate Matt and Farhan for allowing me to test the mount.

Merry Christmas yall!!!

[Farhan@DM]

TL,DR; it's better then the others. AmIRight?

[aackthpt]

dat machined finish!

[mrmonk7663]

Lol you better read it...but yes .

[WFO!]

Monk?

What durometer CP-E PMM did you have installed before?

[mrmonk7663]

Street durometer

[WFO!]

Originally Posted by mrmonk7663 Street durometer

Its either 60 or 75.

[mrmonk7663]

60

[WFO!]

Originally Posted by mrmonk7663 60

Thats shocking. The BSD must make a huge difference then. The 60A PMM from CP-E is pretty tame. Good to know.

[Farhan@DM]

For reference, because someone will ask, ours are 88A.

[mrmonk7663]

The BSD makes a huge difference. If I had my balance shaft installed the reviews would be different. Even the JBR trilogy wasn't crazy before the BSD.

[Lacey28]

So jbr pmm vs dm pmm. Dm pmm has less vibes? How about cab noise?

[HawkeyeGeoff]

Originally Posted by Lacey28 So jbr pmm vs dm pmm. Dm pmm has less vibes? How about cab noise?

He stated the DM one had less vibes.....

[mrmonk7663]

The cabin noise from the DM wasn't bad....it didn't drone. The CS mount had the most cabin noise by a longshot. Just remember, my review is for a BSD car. It will not apply to a car with the Balance Shaft in place.

[Lacey28]

Well wouldnt it make sense that if it vibes less with a bsd that it would vibe less also even with one

[aromig]

Originally Posted by Lacey28 Well wouldnt it make sense that if it vibes less with a bsd that it would vibe less also even with one

Probably, but his rankings might be completely incomparable. Individual PMMs would likely not handle the different resonances the same ways.

[mrmonk7663]

Exactly. Resonant frequencies would be different. It would be a totally different order (possibly) If you have deleted the balance shaft, read my review. If you still have your balance shaft, pretend my review doesn't exist basically lol

[goHAMM]

Finally picked up Damond's RMM. Time to see if the DM combo works together better than my DM PMM and CS RRMM. Will report back!

[Jonathanhair07]

I installed my pmm today. Has anyone with balance shaft, or built motor noticed a clicking noise similar to cams and valves working? I didn't notice the noise until I installed mount. Just wondering if this is normal noise resonating in the cabin or not?


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[goHAMM]

Never followed up. Now running the DM PMM and RMM with stock TMM + CS inserts (don't think they do much). Motor is planted, vibes are about the same as they were with the DM PMM and CS RRMM 70d; noise is just a little more, but not unbearable at all. Very happy customer!

[Jonathanhair07]

Is this normal or do I need to press it back in?

[Easter Bunny]

Almost looks like the motor is sitting too high and loading the mount funny.

[Raider]

What TMM do you have?

[frothy]

Originally Posted by Raider What TMM do you have?

Quote from his build thread, 2/24/2015:

"Drove her around for about about 500 miles and I couldn't take it being fully trilogy mount with balance shaft delete. So I took off my JBR pm and installed a MD pmm mount."

...so, JBR?

[Jonathanhair07]

It does sit slightly higher on the passenger side. @Matt@DamondMotorsports; is it suppose to be like that, or is it because on my jbr TMM

[Farhan@DM]

Originally Posted by Jonathanhair07 Is this normal or do I need to press it back in?

Originally Posted by Jonathanhair07 It does sit slightly higher on the passenger side. @Matt@DamondMotorsports; is it suppose to be like that, or is it because on my jbr TMM

This PMM is a less compliant than the stock. It does make the motor sit higher on the passenger side when coupled with a stock TMM because it doesn't sag as much as the stock. Perhaps @BigO; can share his experience with the mount setup you have.

The misalignment isn't of much concern. The bushings are doing their job on all three mounts.

The bushing sliding out is expected in some cases, and nothing to be concerned about. That's why it's captured on both sides, so it can not get to a condition where it's a problem. I wouldn't be in a rush to push it in, but would do it if I ever was working on it.

pretty engine bay is pretty